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    Shortblock upgrade 440RB to 4.500 aftermarket

    Wanting either a Aluminum or Iron ( koleno ) 4.500 bore. Who and which is better Indy Max or KP? Stroke of either 4.150 or 4.250. the car is about 2800lbs. Id be using my Indy Ezs with max wedge openings and Indy single plane w/1100 E85 Domin. and solid roller, Milodon external oiling. What is a good engine builder or company that can build the shortblock? Im guessing around $9000 for an assembled shortblock. Plz share you experiences and thoughts, If your asking why am i doing this? Cuz i want to build an ultimate short block and be able to grow into it as the need for more HP is neeeded or wanted.

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    Question kp?

    not sure if it's a typo or what? if you mean kb you can't go wrong. it comes with all the hardware and machined the way you what it. simply said you don't have to buy anything extra for the block.
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    of corpus you getting ready to spend your tax refund?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bOb shingler View Post
    not sure if it's a typo or what? if you mean kb you can't go wrong. it comes with all the hardware and machined the way you what it. simply said you don't have to buy anything extra for the block.
    kp=Koleno Performance Blocks sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBD_of_Corpus View Post
    kp=Koleno Performance Blocks sorry
    Im calling Kieth Black about the aluminu block and callies for the rotating assembly.

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    please correct me if I am wrong isnt keith black closed

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorhead007 View Post
    please correct me if I am wrong isnt keith black closed
    I heard that too but i see they still have a website but ill call and find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bremereric View Post
    of corpus you getting ready to spend your tax refund?
    Hey Eric, not exactly im having to sell my dads home and i have the aluminum FE427 which if it were only a Mopar then id be set to go but i have a Ranchero 59 and alot of stuff to sell so i should have sum money coming in, i wanted a Hemi but the prices im getting for a descent Hemi start at about 20,000 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorhead007 View Post
    please correct me if I am wrong isnt keith black closed
    Tried calling KB and line was busy so i called Muscle Motors and they said KB was in a transition of maybe selling or keeping its buisness but to get a KB block would be months of waiting, Callies i called and nothing is in stock and would be a few months till they produced any Mopar cranks and would be a very few as the demand isnt as great as the chevy crap is, Muscle Motors seem to have the parts to build any short block with a choice of upgrading components.

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    Seems like Kb and Callies suck. Muscle Motors rocks.
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    It will be interesting to see what you spend on this build!!!
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    Keith Black is open.Your are looking at 5grand for a finished block shipped to your door.Koleno blocks are about 4grand and need machining.Indy blocks are around 4grand and need machining.World stuff who knows?If you are making the upgrade aluminum is ideal as for repairs and weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nothingbutdarts View Post
    It will be interesting to see what you spend on this build!!!
    9-9500 for the shortblock from MuscleMotors and it has been ordered. and around 7200$ for the B1 Original head package and that will get orderd after the aluminum Ford Fe gets sold and maybe a Dana if i have any $$$ left, i still have a W2 setup since i was 19 that i havent used for a small block so if im going to do a mega motor then i may need to just relingquish the years of holding on to stuff and use it to build this motor, but one day id like to build a W2 big inch small block but jeez i should just sell all my small block stuff but who knows i can sit on it another 20yrs and see what happens j/k...

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    i ordered a 4.500 World aluminum block, flat top piston and 4.250 stroke MM will clearance,balance and flycut pistons for B1s and assemble, will take about 4 weeks i hope no longer. Headers is going to be a ----- for an a-body 2 1/4 x 4in to fit the B1s. Ill probably use my EZs till i get the B1s then i can compare but who knows it may run good enuff with the Indy stuff.

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    sale the small stuff and move on to the big stuff
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    I would not hold onto the old small block stuff expecting it to be worth more, the reason is technology has and is continuing to make horsepower very cheap. W2 small block stuff used to be the ticket, now you can port a set of edelbrocks or the new Indy Max head and be within 20 cfm of a ported W2.

    Now is where I contradict myself, I have six 340 blocks all unbored, cleaned magged and checked that folks are trying to buy all the time. I let go of one last week to get a young man started on his race car project, as we have so few young people who want to drag race and even less who want to try it with a Chrysler. The others I will keep until I am done racing. I sold him a perfect block, standard polished 340 crank, a reconditioned set of bushed rods, main and rod bearings, oil pump and new pioneer dampner for $500.00. Everyone said I was crazy but I want the kid to build a Mopar, not a Chevy!!!

    I have found that a properly built small block with program billet main caps will take 650 hp, all day long and not give a minute of trouble if you keep the RPM below 7000.

    Sorry hope I didn't hijack the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeprace View Post
    I would not hold onto the old small block stuff expecting it to be worth more, the reason is technology has and is continuing to make horsepower very cheap. W2 small block stuff used to be the ticket, now you can port a set of edelbrocks or the new Indy Max head and be within 20 cfm of a ported W2.

    Now is where I contradict myself, I have six 340 blocks all unbored, cleaned magged and checked that folks are trying to buy all the time. I let go of one last week to get a young man started on his race car project, as we have so few young people who want to drag race and even less who want to try it with a Chrysler. The others I will keep until I am done racing. I sold him a perfect block, standard polished 340 crank, a reconditioned set of bushed rods, main and rod bearings, oil pump and new pioneer dampner for $500.00. Everyone said I was crazy but I want the kid to build a Mopar, not a Chevy!!!

    I have found that a properly built small block with program billet main caps will take 650 hp, all day long and not give a minute of trouble if you keep the RPM below 7000.

    Sorry hope I didn't hijack the thread.

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    572 cid

    Got a call from Eric @ M.M. for the same cost i could go with a 4.50 crank = 572 to utilize a B1 head and not have a lazy responsive B1 540 so i told him to go ahead and do it, this changes alot of things as far as rear suspension gears etc i figure ill have to drive this like having eggs under the throttle, i rode in a Chally a couple of weeks ago with a 4.50 stroked Hemi with hyd. cam and 2x4 X-Ram and 3.55s it pulled really hard.

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