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    How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    I bought a remanufactured 400 engine (long block) that is suppose to have a forged steel crank in it. How can I tell if the crank in my engine is forged or if it is just the standard cast crank?

    I didn't notice any numbers/markings on the ends of the crank but being installed the rest is hard to see.
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    The harmonic balancer will have a weight on it on the front if it's a cast crank. A steel crank does not. I didn't think 400's came with steel cranks from the factory, not sure though.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    400s all came with cast cranks from everything I have read, however this one is suppose to have a steel crank in it. I just wanted to make sure. It is a long block thus there is no balancer on it.
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    A 400 could have a 383 crank in it, then it could have a forged crank.
    It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    AFAIK all 400's were cast cranks(ext. balance) I beleive 383 forged cranks(internal balance) are a bolt-in. A cast crank will have single "parting line"(from the casting process) and a forged crank will have a wide(looks like 2)parting line. I think you need to find out one way or the other so can purchase the correct balancer! good luck with your project!! 0/

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    According to Ma, 400's from 72-3 with 4 speeds should have steel cranks.
    Forged and cast are easy to tell apart by looking at them.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    Here's a pic I just took and another I found in my picture folder when I was resizing it. The crank on the right in the first pic is a cast 318. The one on the left is a forged 383. The second pic explains it nicely and is a file photo that someone else took.
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    If it is indeed forged it will have a pilot hole for a manual trans, cast will just have a divet ..............kim............
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    Ya'll need to remember the forged cranks on the six pack engines used external balancing.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    The harmonic balancer will have a weight on it on the front if it's a cast crank
    Explain this one to me please!

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    because of the heavy rods used on the 440 sixpack engines they were the only forged cranks to use extenal balancing.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    Quote Originally Posted by rharveysr
    The harmonic balancer will have a weight on it on the front if it's a cast crank
    * Explain this one to me please!

    Rick
    Here's a link that shows the difference between the balancers.* Down the page shows forged, six pack and cast crank (6pk and cast have the extra weights on the front). hope this helps:

    http://www.440source.com/dampers.htm

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    Sounds like your gonna need to pull the pan to check it against the pictures here to figure out what balancer to keep it from coming apart.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank

    OK, there are drilled weight indentations on it and it appears it is a true drilled for a stick crankshaft. I did not see any 'parting lines' on my crank as I rolled the engine upsiode down on the stand (I did not actually spin the rotating assembly). It also has a circled '13' or something stamped on the end like a forged unit should. The cylinders on the right of the picture look like they have the rounded edges on the counter weights like a forged crank should have. Although the cylinders on the left of the picture look like they have sharp edges...

    You experts tell me, is this a forged or cast crankshaft?






    This is suppose to be a stock 400, how did it end up with a forged crankshaft?
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    That looks like a forged crank. Check out the pics Ski posted they should help you make the cast/forged determination.
    As far as why the engine might have originally received a steel crank, sr71mopar already posted that for you too
    Quote Originally Posted by sr71mopar
    According to Ma, 400's from 72-3 with 4 speeds should have steel cranks.
    Forged and cast are easy to tell apart by looking at them.
    Good luck with the project,

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    Quote Originally Posted by 68S
    As far as why the engine might have originally received a steel crank, sr71mopar already posted that for you too

    Quote Originally Posted by sr71mopar
    According to Ma, 400's from 72-3 with 4 speeds should have steel cranks.
    Forged and cast are easy to tell apart by looking at them.

    True, but this 400 has a casting date of 7-26-77.

    I just wanted to be sure and have a second, third, fourth,... 50th opinion...
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    Did it come out of a motorhome?

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    I have no idea where it is from. It was a 'new' remanufactured long block engine from Fliteline Engine Supply that I paid $325.00 for off of eBay about a month ago. They said it was .030 over and it came with a new Melling M63HP high pressure oil pump. I asked what it was out of and they did not know. They said Challenger/Charger VIN: LP23, N or M so that wasn't much help. It is all fresh so I figured I couldn't get a good junkyard engine for that price, especially with a fresh forged crank that was drilled for a stick (manual tranmission) like they advertised. Heck it is hard to get just the heads redone for what I paid for this engine. Too bad the compression is a sad 8.0:1. It should still make for a fun driver with all of my parts I bought for it.
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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    To me 77 does seem a bit late to still have the forged crank but I am no expert either.
    Seeing as how these cars and their related parts have been around for so long now, you never really know what you might run into. Since your shortblock is a reman piece that crankshaft could very well have come out of a 383 or an original 400 four-speed application but it should not matter to you either way. All that really counts is that you have the good stuff and it looks like for $325 you scored a winner with that motor. The 8:1 compression part needs some help though. You will be seriously limited in cam selection with a low compression ratio like that.

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    Re: How to tell forged (steel) crank from cast crank...Please HELP! New pictures...

    it's a forged crank...

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