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Re: 440 block pics and drilling
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2007, 05:36:15 PM »

The 6" reamer, 1/4 drive, which is High Speed Steel........AP HS 5-01

Hopes this helps.  Also on the drilling, if you have a 90 degree countersunk, 1/2 wide, it will really deburr the holes real nice.  It also helps get the reamer lined up in the center of the hole.  Just don't go crazy with it.  When it's all put together, it is about 10" long.

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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2007, 05:37:11 PM »

great tips now we just need someone to stick it to the top so its not lost the next time someone needs it
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2007, 07:37:09 PM »

Very cool gentlemen! Which would you choose the cobalt one?
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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2007, 07:45:41 PM »

I was using a High Speed Steel reamer in the pic's.  If you are going to do alot of blocks, maybe the cobalt will last longer. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2007, 01:07:55 AM »

Hey just caught this one , I`ve done this in the past . Thanks for putin' it out there for the boys !
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2007, 04:49:13 AM »

I asked them about the 4" arbor, and they suggested thier part # 3109A71 which has a '2-flute countersink' What does that mean?
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2007, 05:00:21 AM »

I'll post some pic's of the countersink I am using when I get home.
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2007, 08:21:11 AM »

Yes thanks for posting.  I agree then need to put some of this stuff in the archieves.

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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2007, 02:26:42 PM »

Mcmaster car (part # 2975A42) 9/32 cobalt reamer. (# 3109A71)4" extension. These are the parts I ordered. I'll post more when they come in.
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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2007, 05:46:30 PM »

Look under high speed rotary files while you are there,  these are the ones I use they too have a 1/4 shank you can put in your drill

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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2007, 05:15:17 PM »

(# 3109A71)4" extension.
This is just a 4" extension, no collet.  hammer    I need to know what style of threads are in the end of this to buy a collet? I found a really short one that takes 1/4" drill bits. It has 1/4-28 threads. Do you remember?
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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2007, 06:34:57 PM »

1/4-28 threads in the 4" extension. I ordered the collet I need. Now we wait!
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2007, 09:06:43 PM »

Great info, Thanks.  thank you
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2007, 10:43:40 PM »

    hi steve,
is ted related to you? i remember him from the old days. great article on the 440, thanks, gene
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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2007, 05:00:24 AM »

That's a cool pic! Here's a picture of the 4" extension. What area would be an issue to get to #5?
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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2007, 05:05:06 PM »

That is a little diff than the one I have.  Is their a 1/4 hole in the end of that?  We have some like that at work that we use also.  All thats required is locking down the set screws so the reamer won't turn in the extension if you hit a hard spot.
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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2007, 11:03:16 PM »

Just a remiinder to those who want to upgrade their oil system beside a 1/2 inch pickup.
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« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2007, 11:34:59 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2007, 09:44:24 PM »

If anyone wants to see what it looks like when a drill bit is used,pay the shipping and i'll send you a fully machine ready to assemble o-ringed 60 over block, with a brand new factory fresh broken bit pre installed inti the #3 main oil hole.

It's a bargain i tell yah....i'll even send the other half of the bit for no extra charge! lol lol lol lol lol

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« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2007, 01:28:19 AM »

If anyone wants to see what it looks like when a drill bit is used,pay the shipping and i'll send you a fully machine ready to assemble o-ringed 60 over block, with a brand new factory fresh broken bit pre installed inti the #3 main oil hole.

It's a bargain i tell yah....i'll even send the other half of the bit for no extra charge! lol lol lol lol lol

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« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2007, 06:13:34 AM »

We have a machine here at work that can burn that broken drill out. We use it to burn out broken drills and taps. Its kinda like an EDM machine thing. It has a electrode that is make from tubing an it burns the center out so the drill or tap can collapse. Can you possibly weld something to it and work it out? How much to ship to 43123 in OHIO?Huh
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« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2007, 06:32:10 PM »

1/4-28 threads in the 4" extension. I ordered the collet I need. Now we wait!
Mike

What was the part number of the collet you ordered?  Was it from McMaster-Carr? 
I found the reamer and extension.  Can't find a 1/4" collet in their on-line catalog.
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« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2007, 07:38:53 PM »

I would ship it to you in ohio but after trying to get the bit out by tapping on it with a hammer and puch to loosen it up..........

I got pissed off and smacked it with the hammer, the block is beyond fixing now.I am still not happy about it.

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« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2007, 10:17:00 AM »

Nice job Steve. Good attention to detail. With that said, and, I by no means am saying this to bash Steve, but, that mod is largely a waste of time. The mopar big block oiling is quite good. I personaly have built more big block mopars than I can count over the years, and I have never done this mod. I have built everything from 400hp enhanced stock type engines, to 850+hp naturaly aspirated stock block engines, to 1000+ hp blower and nos engines etc, and, never had a crank or bearing issue. NEVER. If you set your clearances right for the application, and use a good pump, there is plenty of oil getting there. The only oil mod I do, when I use a screw in oil pick-up, is to radius the 90 degree turn, the oil makes, from the oil pump mounting pad, where the passage is drilled into the block, then, the oil passage that feeds the pick-up, thats drilled 90 degrees and intersects each other, I radius that corner, so the oil can "turn" with out getting all turbulent there. Up to roughly 700hp, and 7000 rpm, I even use the stock sized pick-up, with ZERO issue, ever. After that, I use either a single, static pick-up external line, or, a dual line, with swinging pick-up.

With that said, if you want to do the mods, then knock yourself out, you likely won't hurt anything, but it really is unnecassary. Long, skinny drills and reamers, break REAL easy. And, if you aren't careful, and one snags, or catches, they snap without warning. Again, I am not trying to downplay Steves work, but, I thought I would give my opinion

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« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2007, 05:03:57 PM »

Frank I don't use drill bit's, they break too easy.  Lot of these oil mods were passed down from old super stock racers from the 60's and 70's,  Herb McCandless, a friend of my dad's.  Thanks
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« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2007, 08:40:15 PM »

and with that being said the only blocks/bearings that failed on me were the ones i didn't do the mods on, but i'm just a "back yard do it myself kinda guy" and every little trick helps me out.
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« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2007, 09:19:52 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2007, 05:16:55 AM »

I couldn't get the collet from Mcmaster-carr. I found on line a company (tight fit tools), who sold me a threaded collet for $8 + $5 to ship. The phone # was (562)946-8444. There's probably a better way to get the pieces you need, but I'd already bought the extension.
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« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2007, 02:43:54 PM »

Thanks much for the info.  Got it all ordered this morning. 
Let the fun begin!

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« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2007, 10:55:36 PM »

Here's a pic of the collet

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