Custom big brake kit?

[BIG DOG]

Andy I looked at your kit thought it would be real nice went to the dealer here .$2000 for a set of calipers and there were none available. OUCH!!! where are you getting them for $300 ?? And I assume that is for 1
Do you have a part number that i could give the dealer ?

[moparrr07]

all i know is a can stop in 105 ft, and now that i look it up, a corvette is rated at 118ft on autos msn- only thing i could guess is whoever did the test is handicapped or the tires arnt that great front the factory, they are probably 80k mile lasting snow tires and if you put on some real ones i bet under 100 wouldn't be out of the question, plus my pads are superior to a stock gm piece so yes, with my stock style brakes, i stopped in 105 ft, do a test after you put on your $2000 aftermarket brakes and see if its any better,-

its all about the tire for stopping distance and see how my brakes have not over heated on me i dont know what else to tell you

[andyf]

$2000 a set?  That is insane, the list price on those calipers is $385 each brand new over the counter and you can usually get some kind of a discount from the dealer.  You can save even more money by buying take offs from a place like Archer Racing.  Archer does a lot of Viper brake conversions so they usually have brand new, or slightly used, calipers on hand that were taken off of customer vehicles.  You'll have to ask them for pricing but it used to be around $250 each.  Those calipers often came with pads which could save you even more bucks if the pads were still in good shape.

If you want to buy the complete kit with hubs, rotors, calipers, pads, hoses, bearings, hardware, etc you can get it from Miles Chrysler.  They sell the complete kit for around $2250 plus shipping.  That complete kit bolts right onto any A/B/E/FMJ body car that has the 1973 or newer knuckles.  (you need the larger diameter inner wheel bearing)  And you need the 17 inch Mustang spec wheels of course.

[Drdodge]

tires can only grip so good, i can stop from 60 in 105 ft on marginal pavement on the 5th hard stop, only 2 feet more on the 10th- my brakes are not 30 years old, everything is new, a new vette will do it in 110ft, i dare you to spend $1500 on the front brakes and stop any faster with a 235/60r15

this is all with 195 general purpose tires on the back with crappy 9 inch drums on the back, when the new rear end gos in, ive got 11x2.5 finned nos brakes to go on, along with 295 tires, my goal is 95 feet on the average road, no doubt it will be much better on a prepped track

Not to worry cam slant's cant make enough power to have braking issues PS
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[Scampin]

all i know is a can stop in 105 ft, and now that i look it up, a corvette is rated at 118ft on autos msn- only thing i could guess is whoever did the test is handicapped or the tires arnt that great front the factory, they are probably 80k mile lasting snow tires and if you put on some real ones i bet under 100 wouldn't be out of the question, plus my pads are superior to a stock gm piece so yes, with my stock style brakes, i stopped in 105 ft, do a test after you put on your $2000 aftermarket brakes and see if its any better,-

its all about the tire for stopping distance and see how my brakes have not over heated on me i dont know what else to tell you

How did you go about testing the stopping distance?  Pick a point, slam on the brakes, and measure where from where you stopped?  i kinda oubt a corvette would come with snow tires.  It just boggles the mind is all.  My fathers AAR which is supposed to have one of the better if not best braking system in it's day doesn't stand a chance in stopping quicker than pretty much any new car today.  I'm not doubting you, I guess it's one of those see it to believe it things.

[moparrr07]

yea, i just stomp on it right at the mailbox, then get out the long tape and measure it 105 ft, but you have to remember its with premium pads and premium tires and stiff torsion bars

[Scampin]

Thats one hell of a tape measure.

I will def. get some numbers once I have the thing running.  It will be interesting to see the numbers that my setup comes up with.  I should have the advantage all the way with 255/40/17's in front and 315/35/17's in the rear.

[moparrr07]

its a 100ft landscaping tape measure, yea at school i cant claim that i have the fastest car with my /6 but i always brag that i can stop the quickest ,

just make sure you have everything secured down, after i broke in my brakes, i started doing faster stops and things started flying, i don't think my speedo had ever dropped that fast without skidding the back tires before

[HAGENBEASLEY]

MOPARRR07 ,WHAT ARE YOU TALKING  ABOUT ? YOU SAY ONE THING, THEN ANOTHER  ,WHEN YOU START MAKING BIG POWER AND SPEED YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT ,BUT FOR NOW YOUR JUST TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT I FEEL YOU DONT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT, ,AND COME ON A CORVETTE      ,I THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE MORE WRENCH TIME ,YOUR WAY OFF BASE ,SORRY IM NOT BEING MEAN, IM JUST SAYING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS THINKING  ! ! !

[b569rr]

Not sure about the '07 ZO6, but they come with Goodyear F1 super tires. This is good though. 

[Scampin]

I was beleving him until he said he had stiff torsion bars.  I was thinking maybe there was so much body roll that it dug the radiator support into the ground when slamming on the brakes.  Kinda like throwing a boat anchor out.

[moparrr07]

when i start making big power? well i believe 60mph is 60mph know matter if its a /6 or a 572, when i add the big block then it will add a couple hundred pounds, that will lengthen my stopping distance a little- and don't even say i need more wrench time, you have no idea what i have or havnt done, you just assume because im a high school kid i don't know anything- a 07 z06 vette stops in 118ft, my car stops in 105 ft- it will stop from 100mph just as easily( ive only hit 104 )- and from what i have read, those goodyears get horrible traction for how big they are- 118ft vs. 105ft- proof is in the numbers- i can out handle a 5.0 fox body, which means im pulling nearly .90 on the skid pad, tires are 60% of your setup on a road course, go ask any real road racer and he will tell you that, i know exactly what im talking about, if i was really a person like you are thinking i am, i would be over in the mustang forums asking about cold air intakes, i haven't cross referenced myself at all- you guys can think whatever you want, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the fact of the matter is, i can stop in 105ft, im not lieing, why would i- maybe a guy in a vette somewhere can stop faster, so have him come over to my house and we will see who will stop faster

I was beleving him until he said he had stiff torsion bars.  I was thinking maybe there was so much body roll that it dug the radiator support into the ground when slamming on the brakes.  Kinda like throwing a boat anchor out.

it nearly use to when i got the car

stock brakes will lock basically any tire, after warm, and they don't really overheat, so why spend hundreds, but i guess if you have the money then go ahead and spend it, they do look cool

[jacks62440]

If you have Ton's of Money and you are going Racing Why Not. For Me I am going 11 3/4" Good, Cheap and Easy.

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[Scampin]

when i start making big power? well i believe 60mph is 60mph know matter if its a /6 or a 572, when i add the big block then it will add a couple hundred pounds, that will lengthen my stopping distance a little- and don't even say i need more wrench time, you have no idea what i have or havnt done, you just assume because im a high school kid i don't know anything- a 07 z06 vette stops in 118ft, my car stops in 105 ft- it will stop from 100mph just as easily( ive only hit 104 )- and from what i have read, those goodyears get horrible traction for how big they are- 118ft vs. 105ft- proof is in the numbers- i can out handle a 5.0 fox body, which means im pulling nearly .90 on the skid pad, tires are 60% of your setup on a road course, go ask any real road racer and he will tell you that, i know exactly what im talking about, if i was really a person like you are thinking i am, i would be over in the mustang forums asking about cold air intakes, i haven't cross referenced myself at all- you guys can think whatever you want, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the fact of the matter is, i can stop in 105ft, im not lieing, why would i- maybe a guy in a vette somewhere can stop faster, so have him come over to my house and we will see who will stop faster

I was beleving him until he said he had stiff torsion bars.  I was thinking maybe there was so much body roll that it dug the radiator support into the ground when slamming on the brakes.  Kinda like throwing a boat anchor out.

it nearly use to when i got the car

stock brakes will lock basically any tire, after warm, and they don't really overheat, so why spend hundreds, but i guess if you have the money then go ahead and spend it, they do look cool

.  I know the Scamp used to too. 
I guess the method of measuring is a little iffy.  At 60mph you are traveling at 88ft per second.  So if you hit the brakes a half a second before you reached your marker then your measurments are around 40ft off.

[moparrr07]

yea, but when you really think about it, a half second is a really long time, i cant if i hit the brakes 40 ft early, but i do agree with your reasoning

[Stroked68Dart]

Hey guys...

I got the Wilwood set from Magnum.  I ordered new rear axels for my 8.73 and I ordered the 12.5 inch disk for the rear with the emergency brake setup and 13 inch for the front.  I also ordered the Willwood master cylinder, brake proportioning valve, and new brake lines, etc... everything new!... I had the 9 inch drums on this car originally.

So... I basically spent $3400 which is a great deal of money but this dart has had a complete rotisserie restoration and is immaculate and better than new inside and out.  The set of brakes I ordered is way over-kill no doubt but I wanted the look of the big disk behind the wheels...

So... if you want a bolt on kit that looks fantastic... call Magnum... the guy I talked to knew exactly all the parts needed and what the options were regarding powder coated parts, etc... from Willwod...

Just a couple of thoughts for you guys.  My path is just one way... just to reinforce my point... I am moving all my drum brakes over to a rat-rod Dart I am building with a wild slant six... so... there are multiple paths... just depends on what you want on your particular car.

[flyboy01]

I would never use aluminum for caliper mounts on a street car, ok for race, but steel is better for street. I would also not use Wilwood for street because they are not all-weather brakes. I would go with the Viper calpers. Also, maybe someone could figure out a way to use the new huge calipers off the new Rams.

[moparrr07]

put a lift kit on your dart

[urchinhead]

http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php/topic,16426.0.html

[Stroked68Dart]

I actually agree FlyBoy with you regarding using the Wilwood brakes for street use.  I am only putting about 1,000 miles per year on this car.  It is fast, and immaculate and I have my other cars.  The Wilwood set really only for racing.  The stock steel sets from a C-Body would be more than enough.  The Wilwood setwill have to be re-torqued yearly or more depending on driving miles.  But, for a wild fast, 4 speed, tons of torque, tons of HP, pure fun, over-restored, better-than-new, beautiful toy.  These Wilwoods ain't all too bad in my book.

 

[CFster]

The Wilwoods lack dust seals for the pistons. But, the piston seals are like $5 so not much of an issue.