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Topic: "Counteract" scam or not? (Read 592 times)
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Dodge Dude
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Hi guys, been a long while since I've been on...too long...had to reregister even. great site seems to have grown allot since. glad to be back!
I live up here in the rust belt in Ontario Canada and looking at a gadget advertised to reduce rust. So I got a question, anyone know anything about those Electronic Rust Inhibitors. I want to get one called "Counteract" searched the web for answers some say it's an outright scam. Any thoughts?
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jacks62440
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Is that something that Canadian Tire sells  I don't know if it works or not , but it should. There is always Someone that is going to Poo Poo a product. If it is hooked up "Properly" it should Work. I would get the dealer to install with a Warranty. |
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moparwedden
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Where In Ontario Are You, I'm Up Here Too In Trenton.
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Dodge Dude
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Yes Canadian Tire has them advertised in their flyer all the time, I wondered if they sold them in the U.S.or not? If not maybe there is a reason?
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Dodge Dude
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Oh, I'm on the outskirts of Guelph, I should show that in my profile, I'm not so computer savy so I have'nt bothered to do anything with it yet.
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flyboy01
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Rust is the process of iron (molecules) oxidizing into iron oxide, or rust. Rust is the common name for a very common compound, iron oxide. Iron (or steel) rusting is an example of corrosion, an electrochemical process involving an anode, an electrolyte and a cathode . When metal corrodes, the electrolyte helps provide oxygen to the anode. As oxygen combines with the metal, electrons are liberated. When they flow through the electrolyte to the cathode, the metal of the anode disappears, swept away by the electrical flow or converted into rust.
For iron to tranform into iron oxide, three things are needed: iron, water and oxygen.
When water droplets are gathered on an iron object, two things immediately happen. First, the water combines with carbon dioxide forms a weak carbonic acid, becoming better electrolyte. As the acid is formed and the iron dissolved, some of the water will begin to break down into its component pieces -- hydrogen and oxygen. The free oxygen and dissolved iron bond into iron oxide, in the process freeing electrons. The electrons liberated from the anode portion of the iron flow to the cathode, which may be a piece of a metal less electrically reactive than iron, or another point on the piece of iron itself.
The oxidation needs a transfer medium to occur, such as water. Salt in the water speeds up the oxidation process by acting as a catalyst. The problem with salt is that once the water is gone; the salt lies in wait to restart the forming of rust once more moisture is present.
The only way to stop rust is to remove moisture or oxygen, which is the whole reason behind painting the metal. If you coat a metal without getting rid of the rust, then there needs to be a barrier between the existing rust, and oxygen or moisture. Converting rust works by transforming iron oxide into an inert barrier with a chemical reaction, but you need a topcoat to keep the problem from re-occuring. THe only permanent way to get rid of rust is by removing it permanently through acids or chelation, then sealing the metal. Of course, cutting it out also works when it is too far gone.
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440Dreamin
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THANK YOU PROFESSOR! THAT WAS A SWEET DISSERTATION! COOL.
JOEL
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Fallen God member - just a schmuck now...
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flyboy01
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I used to live in Detroit, they teach that in elementary schools. Has to do with the salt mines below our streets.  I remember in 1978 my sister bought a 1974 Duster, it was so rusted out, that the bumper fell off it. |
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73swinger
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Where In Ontario Are You, I'm Up Here Too In Trenton.
I'm living near Port Perry, right now my Swinger is in Tweed [attachment deleted by admin] |
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moparwedden
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Where In Ontario Are You, I'm Up Here Too In Trenton.
I'm living near Port Perry, right now my Swinger is in Tweed Oh Tweed My Old Fishing Grounds. Use To Go To Port Perry To Go To Kevs Musky Shop. Is It Still There. |
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73swinger
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I dunno if it's still there, I just moved here in Feb (first house) I do know there's alot of musky in this lake though , big ones. I actually moved up here because of the area, and because every second house has a big shop with a couple hotrods in it. COOL
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