The internet is the death of spelling and grammar.

[chryco]

One of my favourites is Argent Silver (colour) . Argent is silver in French . Everything in Canada is in English and French .
   Chryco

[RoachRunner]

...in all honesty...i write the way i Fu*&*ng please......i do it on purpose..[most people in the world have become plenty drab.. creativity should never be dicouraged in any varying form....if your mind can't compute , gets frustrated or annoyed because of capital letters..or coma's etc...then you have a lot more serious issues to deal with..... THEIR ARE NO LAWS IN COMMUNICATING.....if your that anal retentive and can't comprehend what's being transcribed...it's not my fault it happens to be your own unwillingness to expand the creative barrier.....i do agree on the aspect of misspelled words[i misspell lots.i learned more french then i did english]...but i also don't always have the time to spell check every sentence,,....plus if someone just needs a quick answer i feel that a short sentence might be all it takes to resolve a dilema[which is more what this site's about].......plus again i don't always have time to write down a full lengtly explanation of every single detail.....if you need that much explanation...open a book and read[like i did]......on how something is suppose to be done...anyways i kinda hope some people do get annoyed by how i write.....[it's your own loss,not mine]

[fasttcars]

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intelligent comeback[even tho my statement wasn't completly directed towards you].i wouldn't have expected anything  else from someone of your demeanor..so i'm assuming you have absolutly no range of intellectual diversity,are very oblivious to the "surrounding"  world.or just being a complete assh#$e....

[Jens69BB]

 
Oh, and for Mopar guys: The correct spelling for the B body Plymouth with the "beep beep" horn is : "road runner". Two words and never capitialized. Just a bit of trivia.

Just a few of MY observations.

Greg, I have a question...I was told that when using quotation marks at the end of a sentence, the last quotation mark should be placed after the period ending the sentence.

For example, using your trivia point above, it should be:  "road runner."      and not:  "road runner".

Personally I feel more comfortable writing it the same way you did, but I was called on it on another board by some pedantic English Major type.

What do you think..?

The period goes within the quotes.  It doesn't seem right to me sometimes.

[gregpurcell]

Ok, I'm not taking the spelling of "road runner" from any magazine or book. I'm quoting the NAMEPLATE of the car (as so many did with the pics).

Mother Mopar selected the spelling here (two words and no caps)and the car mags should respect that.

There are Roadrunners and Road Runners in the English language, but there was no nameplate with ANYTHING other than "road runner". The people who cast the emblem know how they wanted the thing SPELLED! Any thing else is incorrect.

As for the quotes, I feel more comfortable ending the quotes BEFORE I end a sentence, unless the quote IS the end of a sentence.
I may be wrong on that, however, I'd have to dig up the English book to make certain.

[Jens69BB]

As for the quotes, I feel more comfortable ending the quotes BEFORE I end a sentence, unless the quote IS the end of a sentence.
I may be wrong on that, however, I'd have to dig up the English book to make certain.

You're wrong.   

[gregpurcell]

Won't be the first time OR the last.

[guzzimike]

As for the quotes, I feel more comfortable ending the quotes BEFORE I end a sentence, unless the quote IS the end of a sentence.
I may be wrong on that, however, I'd have to dig up the English book to make certain.

You're wrong.   

Jen's correct.

I had referenced this earlier, on the first page of this thread..

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm

[RoachRunner]

As for the quotes, I feel more comfortable ending the quotes BEFORE I end a sentence, unless the quote IS the end of a sentence.
I may be wrong on that, however, I'd have to dig up the English book to make certain.

You're wrong.   

Jen's correct.

I had referenced this earlier, on the first page of this thread..

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm

I saw that earlier, Mike. That's one of those 'correct' usages that I find difficult to use myself. 

Similarly, using 'an' instead of 'a' before a word with a hard 'h' (i.e. "an historical event") really grates on me.

[Summit925]

not to start anything here but does it really matter if it is spelled "road runner" or Road Runner" or even "roadrunner"  most people on this site get the general meaning about this and it seems that mopar itself did not car then why should we? maybe on the emblems they ment to have them all lower to make it more eye appealing? and in the mags and books have it upper case to show proper name? i personally know i cant spell. but i find it more annoying when people type in all caps when they dont need to be ex.  "WHAT SIZE TIRE FITS"  when it should be all lower case... unless they really are yelling at us 

[gregpurcell]

As a reporter, I like to use the correct spelling of someone's name AS they give it to me. MY name is Greg (actually Gregory). I spell it with one "g" on the end. "Gregg" is incorrect and it bothers me. (my own FATHER used to misspell it everytime he sent me a check at Christmas. It became a family joke.) Many people with my name, however, SPELL it with two "g"s, and in THEIR case, "Greg" would be inconsiderate.

Everyone knows that the word "boy" is pluralized with an "s" (as in "boys"). Yet if a group wants to be called "Boyz" ("Boyz in the Hood", for example) their desire obviously supercedes standard grammitical practice.

No one at Diamler Chrysler is going to give a rat's ass how it's spelled, so you are correct in your assumption that the Word Police are not going to come knocking at your door. But, by the same token, if you decided to reproduce some road runner emblems, you would not sell many that said "Roadrunner"! (<-I think that the exclaimation point, like the question mark CAN go outside of quotes).
The car's name was intended to be spelled as two words in the lower case to make the car unique.
Does anybody have an owner's manual? I'd like to see how it's spelled there.

As for the quotation marks: The link was great reading and very informative. Thanks, I'll use it a lot. And yes, I depend on logic, so the Queen's English seems more correct to me. (Although I'm not going to spell the word "defense" with a "c' anytime soon!) It's an interesting conflict that a period always goes INSIDE the quotes, but a QUESTION MARK can be used OUTSIDE them!

Go Figure.

[Hotwheelsjr]

To the spelling and grammar police -- you have to remember you are dealing with ALL walks of life on the internet.  Not EVERYONE who has a computer is a high school graduate and it's pretty damn rude of you to get bothered by such a petty thing.  Some off the folks that come on these sites are here to learn more about their cars or help less knowledgeable folks with theirs.  They don't come here to get harassed by you because they misused "there" where "their" or "they're" was supposed to be used.  Grow up and get over it.  If you want 100% correct spelling and grammar, go visit some boards that discuss proper etiquette and grammar for the upper class elite. 

Now, let's get back to talking about cars, not how to spell Supercalifragilisticexplialidocious.

[PinkE]

I agree Hotwheels.... ...What's the 'disagreement of the day' today?  This is supposed to be a fun site, slapping peoples nuckles for misspelling sumfin is rude.....We used to sensor swearing around here, that ended, it got old, and the jokes lost all meaning...Are we gonna start correcting topic's like kids exam papers?  NO, I spell stuff wrong, others spell stuff wrong...get over it....now lets talk car sh!t....

[NYrr496]

Wow. I'm a big dope. My screen name SHOULD be NYrr496. I guess I blew it.

[Poison_Dart]

 HA! I once had a sign I could hang on my door that read -Gone Fishin- it was rather a small sign although  got the point across to whom ever read it.    But i could see your sign now>>
>> Please excuse me, I am out of my office because I have gone fishing<<
   I do think it might take a weee bit larger sign for your door

yeah! lets do get back to the car stuff,  ((( Yon't too? )))

[PinkE]

Wow. I'm a big dope. My screen name SHOULD be NYrr496. I guess I blew it.

 ...No Ice Cream for you tonight....or is that ice cream?... ...Now go stand in the corner....

[guzzimike]

In my opinion, good grammar is important. Maybe not so much on the Internet chat rooms, where a form of universal Short Hand is acceptable, as in using prolly instead of probably or a myriad other examples that we all can think up, but out in the real world, proper grammar and its correct application can go a long way.

Let's say that you are writing a letter of complaint to a company. If the letter is written on good stock and with correct syntax it will convey more weight than one written full of grammatical errors on notebook paper with a crayon.

Same values definitely apply to a job resume.

So, in my opinion, good skills in grammar are important, and they do have their place and time.

[PinkE]

In my opinion, good grammar is important. Maybe not so much on the Internet chat rooms, where a form of universal Short Hand is acceptable, as in using prolly instead of probably or a myriad other examples that we all can think up, but out in the real world, proper grammar and its correct application can go a long way.

Let's say that you are writing a letter of complaint to a company. If the letter is written on good stock and with correct syntax it will convey more weight than one written full of grammatical errors on notebook paper with a crayon.

Same values definitely apply to a job resume.

So, in my opinion, good skills in grammar are important, and they do have their place and time.

Oh I agree, on a resume if you spell something wrong, well, forget it....But on the internet people take shortcuts, they abreviate things, it's like slang...like WTF, or TY or ROFL...or LMFAO....it's just the way it is.....I don't see a problem with it....But I guess it bothers others....

[Jens69BB]

In my opinion, good grammar is important. Maybe not so much on the Internet chat rooms, where a form of universal Short Hand is acceptable, as in using prolly instead of probably or a myriad other examples that we all can think up, but out in the real world, proper grammar and its correct application can go a long way.

Let's say that you are writing a letter of complaint to a company. If the letter is written on good stock and with correct syntax it will convey more weight than one written full of grammatical errors on notebook paper with a crayon.

Same values definitely apply to a job resume.

So, in my opinion, good skills in grammar are important, and they do have their place and time.

Words are very important tools in life.

But I guess it bothers others....

I notice that it's just a common pet peeve.  I don't really see how it's rude for pointing out that bad grammar is bothersome; I didn't see where Roach said that people with bad grammar were dumb. People should embrace learning new things.  For example, if you didn't know the difference between "there" and "they're" then what's the big deal of someone pointing out to you that they are different so you can correct yourself in the future?  That's the cool thing about the internet, you can learn EVERYTHING here without needing to ever touch a classroom.

[Rate]

Has anyone thought of looking at it as an evolution of the language?

Think about it. Many linguists have.

Did people complain when we started spelling it as "shop" instead of "shoppe"? Was there any complaints when we decided that every S should be the same instead of making the first S of any word into the taller shape that looked more like an f? Were people so appalled that they had to write posts condemning the speech of others when we stopped using the "u" in colour or honourable?

Face it, the text generation is here. It's never going to go away, and that fact that it is spreading to adults is only proof that it's going to spread.

The fact of the matter is, you only have to maintain a certain level of grammar in order to get a point across, anything more then that doesn't mean squat. The key to language is communication of a basic idea from a sender to a receiver, and as long as the idea makes that transition, then it is successful as a language, regardless of whether or not the person used perfect grammar and spelling.

Think about it... lets say that someone is born a genius in an area such as Afghanistan, where they have little to no school system. The person is so smart that they learn to read on their own without ever taking a single class, but does not quite get the concept of grammar and spelling perfect. He grows past the age of 12 which is the optimal language acquisition period, and is never able to perfect his grammar. Now, say this person decides to study molecular biology, and makes a ground breaking discovery in the field. His paper is in messy English, none of the "there" or "your" words are correct, he's missing commas and apostrophes, maybe forgets some letters completely. Assuming other scientists in the field still understand his discovery, does his grammar make his discovery any less valid? Should he not get credit because he misplaced a few shapes?

Because that's what it comes down to, letters and punctuation are nothing more then individual shapes that we derive our own meaning from, they have no intrinsic ability, letters and words gain whatever worth and meaning that we give them, which is where slang comes from.

Besides, it's our own fault. Americans are always striving for better efficiency, everything has to be faster, better, and cheaper. So why even type out this whole sentence when you could reduce it too:

Bsids, its our falt, we alwys wnt btr efishnc, evrethng fstr, btr, chepr. so y evn typ out ths hol sntince?

Some words are unnecessary, some could be spelled with less letters. In the end, it only makes us faster while achieving the same goal of communication.

Think about it.

[kawazuki8097]

....now lets talk car sh!t....

[DaBigNuttedMan]

yeh huh en da heme's more bignutted den da chevie 2 wright ?

whad bout gorebalwarmin 2

dats da way yu always talk wandy.... ...Bet our little codes drive him nutz too...IWMWW...VM...

IWMWWIWWD

[PinkE]

yeh huh en da heme's more bignutted den da chevie 2 wright ?

whad bout gorebalwarmin 2

dats da way yu always talk wandy.... ...Bet our little codes drive him nutz too...IWMWW...VM...

IWMWWIWWD

IWYTW.....



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[DustMan]

Jesus, no one is perfect. There is no where stating on this site (or any other, for that matter) that we have to correctly spell, punctuate, or grammarize each individual post, blog, etc.

Hell if someone writes 'UR' instead of you're or your, it's less reading for me!

I think everyone gets the jist if someone writes axel or break, we are car people not English Major's. Spelling aside, we know the language. No one can blame the internet. Blame cell phones, ebonics, radio, television, and the environment someone lives in in general.

Oh, BTW... God Bless America! We can write however we want here, and if it pisses off people, move to Great Britain where everyone is perfect. 

P.S. Bill thanks for letting us join this site, no matter how uneducated we are. If it becomes mandatory, I will write an SAT and submit it if it makes those picky people happy.

[Jens69BB]

Oh, BTW... God Bless America! We can write however we want here, and if it pisses off people, move to Great Britain where everyone is perfect. 

Or they can just create a thread where they can rant about it because they have the freedom of speech.

[fasttcars]

Has anyone thought of looking at it as an evolution of the language?

Think about it. Many linguists have.

Did people complain when we started spelling it as "shop" instead of "shoppe"? Was there any complaints when we decided that every S should be the same instead of making the first S of any word into the taller shape that looked more like an f? Were people so appalled that they had to write posts condemning the speech of others when we stopped using the "u" in colour or honourable?

Face it, the text generation is here. It's never going to go away, and that fact that it is spreading to adults is only proof that it's going to spread.

The fact of the matter is, you only have to maintain a certain level of grammar in order to get a point across, anything more then that doesn't mean squat. The key to language is communication of a basic idea from a sender to a receiver, and as long as the idea makes that transition, then it is successful as a language, regardless of whether or not the person used perfect grammar and spelling.

Think about it... lets say that someone is born a genius in an area such as Afghanistan, where they have little to no school system. The person is so smart that they learn to read on their own without ever taking a single class, but does not quite get the concept of grammar and spelling perfect. He grows past the age of 12 which is the optimal language acquisition period, and is never able to perfect his grammar. Now, say this person decides to study molecular biology, and makes a ground breaking discovery in the field. His paper is in messy English, none of the "there" or "your" words are correct, he's missing commas and apostrophes, maybe forgets some letters completely. Assuming other scientists in the field still understand his discovery, does his grammar make his discovery any less valid? Should he not get credit because he misplaced a few shapes?

Because that's what it comes down to, letters and punctuation are nothing more then individual shapes that we derive our own meaning from, they have no intrinsic ability, letters and words gain whatever worth and meaning that we give them, which is where slang comes from.

Besides, it's our own fault. Americans are always striving for better efficiency, everything has to be faster, better, and cheaper. So why even type out this whole sentence when you could reduce it too:

Bsids, its our falt, we alwys wnt btr efishnc, evrethng fstr, btr, chepr. so y evn typ out ths hol sntince?

Some words are unnecessary, some could be spelled with less letters. In the end, it only makes us faster while achieving the same goal of communication.

Think about it.

i agree with your point completely..[and to add]....in my perspective grammer ,writing,spelling is all just a "BASIC" set format for people to learn, and communicate....but as time progress's and our minds evolve with exploration of completly different realm's of development ...a lot of people don't understand that just because their's a book written...or because that's how it's taught in school...that it's the only "proper way"....things should be.....with that view[and if that's how they live their life's].....then your completly limiting growth and development for yourself........

[St.Louis-Dart]

Yes, it's true. I realize that there have always been those with third-grade grammar and spelling skills, but since the advent of the internet (and texting), it seems to be fashionable to butcher the English language, decent grammar, and spelling. Car guys are certainly no exception. I've had a few beers, and it's loosened my tongue (and fingers  )

Allow me to vent my frustrations with the aforementioned destroyers of society:

• "u" and "ur" - unless you are under 16, you have no business using these.
• There, their, and they're. Learn the difference.
• Cars don't have yolks. However, driveshafts do have yokes.
• There is no 't' in Dexron.
• Cars have brakes, not breaks. I suppose you could 'break' your 'brakes'. 
• It's really annoying....when people misuse '...'....never end a sentence....just keeps going....no punctuation....you don't talk this way....why would you write this way....
• You do not use apostrophe's after any and all word's that end with an 's.  (sarcasm intended)

I just know I've missed a few...feel free to add them! 

End rant. Don't we all feel better now? 

Dont we all feel better now?..When i was in second grade,things happend in my family that caused great stress to me.so 2nd 3rd 4th grade is almost a blur.
years later,the first day in high school,a vary nice old english teacher asked the class.If there was something in school that you could go back over and learn again,what would it be?
she asked each student,i dont remember what mosts of the kids said.but she said she could help them.When she asked me,and i was a shy kid so it took alot
for me to say, i wish i could learn to spell better,and use correct punctuation.she laughed at me and said i cant help you with that,thats something you learn at
a early age starting in 2nd grade.And she moved on to the next kid.So from then till now age 45,i never wrote many sentences fearing i would look stupid.
So i can tell you im trying my best to spell right.Whats sad is,when i want to type something to say on this site i have to use small words
because i cant spell the words im thinking.Now dont you feel better now?want to rant some more?you know whats really annoying to me?...arrogance.