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Rear end narrowing jig question
« on: June 07, 2007, 01:09:09 PM »

I am going to have a jig made to narrow rear axle housings. My question is, is plain old steel bar stock straight enough to use?
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2007, 03:02:54 PM »

I've heard of people even using chrome moly os MS roll cage tubing.  It's up to you.  I'd definitely roll it on a flat surface to check for any run-out though.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2007, 04:16:54 PM »

Having worked in a machine shop, I would say round stock (solid) is more likely to be straight. But it all depends on how its been handled. Check it or have it checked between a couple of v blocks with an indicator.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2007, 04:25:41 PM »

Cool. When i buy it I'll let them know so they get me a "good" piece.  thank you

Interesting point on the roll cage tubing - my welder buddy always tells me tubing is stronger than bar stock.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2007, 05:47:09 PM »

Pound for pound it may be stronger.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2007, 05:59:21 PM »

No. Use centerless ground barstock, and then just to be sure, check it between V-blocks like notenuff cash said. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2007, 06:05:02 PM »

No. Use centerless ground barstock, and then just to be sure, check it between V-blocks like notenuff cash said. 

Is that stuff spendy?
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2007, 06:28:34 PM »

as a general rule, yes.  A 6 foot bar of ground  one inch diameter 17-4 stainless steel for example,  will usually cost 100+ dollars. 
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 06:44:40 PM »

If your not going to be doing more then one or two housing it's not worth it to make up the jig. Some friends and I made one up a few years back to do them, but one is a machinist, he got the part cheap and did the work himself.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2007, 07:44:02 PM »

I would go with cold roll, not too expensive. Saw cut it to desired length, check for straight.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2007, 10:26:43 PM »

I cut my housing off squarely in a lathe. Then I machined the ends to fit over the tubes a quarter of an inch. I then put a threaded rod through the whole thing pulling the ends against the tubes and welded it up. Just another way to do it. I have done this twice now, worked great both times.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2007, 02:02:45 PM »

I made mine to do Dana's, for what your paying to have it made you going to have more in it then just having it narrowed by someone else.
Mark williams, the axel guys sell a kit that does danas, 8.750's, 9", and chevys to it's about 450 or so.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2007, 03:41:19 PM »

I'm having a friend machine the parts, most likely won't charge me. Case of beer type job...
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2007, 07:30:45 PM »

my bud made one he used hydraulic cylinder stock, this steel place we go ot is fairly cheap and i think he did the whole thing for about 75 bucks. he did 2 for himself and i did mine, so it saved us a few bucks. you need to make pucks for the ends and for the bearings, you cant just line up the ends.  i would definitely use solid.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2007, 10:04:35 PM »

I cut my housing off squarely in a lathe. Then I machined the ends to fit over the tubes a quarter of an inch. I then put a threaded rod through the whole thing pulling the ends against the tubes and welded it up. Just another way to do it. I have done this twice now, worked great both times.

A friend of mine has done a couple of ford 9" this way .He says that the ford end plate fits inside and out side the tubes .Worked great on his drag car and race truck!
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2007, 10:19:53 AM »

I cut my housing off squarely in a lathe. Then I machined the ends to fit over the tubes a quarter of an inch. I then put a threaded rod through the whole thing pulling the ends against the tubes and welded it up. Just another way to do it. I have done this twice now, worked great both times.

A friend of mine has done a couple of ford 9" this way .He says that the ford end plate fits inside and out side the tubes .Worked great on his drag car and race truck!

so what happens if your tubes are not perfectly straight?
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2007, 01:28:33 PM »

Then the housing ends wont be parallel, like my last housing, and the tires will wear funny.  The housing ends need to be parallel with the carrier bearings of the center section.  Referencing off of the housing itself isnt the proper way to do it. 
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2007, 06:58:42 PM »

You can check it with a 4 foot straight edge across each end, measuring the outer lengths. I agree the jig with a nice solid 1.5" shaft is the way to do it. I just didn't have the material to do that.
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Re: Rear end narrowing jig question
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2007, 10:57:59 PM »

Then the housing ends wont be parallel, like my last housing, and the tires will wear funny.  The housing ends need to be parallel with the carrier bearings of the center section.  Referencing off of the housing itself isnt the proper way to do it. 
my point exactly
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