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400 block
« on: October 01, 2007, 12:45:09 PM »

What's the best years for the 400 block? How much hp can one of these take?
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 01:35:58 PM »

also  are the main sizes the same on a 400 and 440?
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 01:37:21 PM »

also  are the main sizes the same on a 400 and 440?
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 01:49:37 PM »

I assume the beefier 440 main is better?
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 02:05:40 PM »

I don't think so, some people do. On a 440 the crank journal is larger but that means the main cap is thinner. I would rather have the 400 size crank journal with more meat in the main cap and block.
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 02:13:22 PM »

On the after market blocks, are they all the 440 main?
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 02:15:12 PM »

On the after market blocks, are they all the 440 main?
I think so. The caps should be better on an aftermarket block, so less of an issue.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 02:18:48 PM »

On the after market blocks, are they all the 440 main?
I think so. The caps should be better on an aftermarket block, so less of an issue.
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 02:25:52 PM »

KB uses the 440 size mains, and is able to use either early or late bearings (#3 thrust) .
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 02:26:47 PM »

KB uses the 440 size mains, and is able to use either early or late bearings (#3 thrust) .
Where do find prices and specs for these blocks? Huh
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2007, 05:20:48 PM »

The good ones are fairly hard to find.  All 383's and 440's have smaller main saddles....except the later 440 blocks cast late in 76 to 79 that end with 630 in the casting number


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Re: 400 block
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2007, 05:57:26 PM »

The 1971-72 and industrial/cold weather castings are the thickest of all, however all 400 blocks have the good/thick webbing.

Read this: http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm

And this one: http://www.arengineering.com/articles/articleframe.html
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 06:40:17 PM »

 agree agree agree

What Steve said...Now the trick is..to find one of this animals....

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 02:36:15 AM »

The run of the mill 400 block 451 stroker in my buddies old 70 duster ran 10.20s at 3000lbs.............kim.........
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Re: 400 block
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2007, 10:59:15 PM »

Hi Friend, I prefer to bore out my 400 mains to 440 size to get better bearing selection. Actually, it's cost effective too; as you would
probably (I know I would) align bore the block anyway.  Anyway, thats the way I would do it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2007, 04:54:48 AM »

It is also said that you should sonic test 400 blocks to ensure cylinder wall thickness

I guess this applies to all block really Undecided

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Re: 400 block
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2007, 02:41:05 PM »

Bearing choices be danged! I'd rather have a stronger BLOCK than cheaper or more choices of bearings. The Crank can be cut alot without hurting its strength significantly. But removing material out of an already weak area of the block (compared to an aftermarket block) just isn't helping you at all. That thick part of the main doesn't remain that thick all the way up in OE blocks. Past that machined area it gets real thin. The "R" blocks and aftermarket B/RB blocks have that thickness all the way up for a reason; you need it for making serious safe power.
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