orange peel in paint job I had done

[440darting]

What causes orange peel in paint jobs, is it in the paint or the clearcoat and how can you fix it, plus the clearcoat just doesn't feel that smooth to the touch to me

[eldubb440]

a sand and buff will eliminate most orange peel; unless its just too "dry" and not enough material to sand..... if its a non-clearcoat metallic color, you're pretty much screwed...... i dont consider any paint job finished unless its sanded and buffed.

[71 demon child]

  Absoloutley.I painted an 86 charger i had when i was younger.I painted it black.I took 10 micron wet paper and sanded the entire car with a block.It took me 12 hrs to do the whole car.Another 9 hrs to rub it out.Man did that son of a gun look great.It looked about 3 ft. deep.Boy ,wish i would have spent my time on a real car.A sand and buff will do wonders to a paint job.

carl

[MVRCorp]

Is fish eye different then orange peel? I'm ignorant on the subject, but I know there is some additive for paint that prevents fish eye.

[eldubb440]

Is fish eye different then orange peel? I'm ignorant on the subject, but I know there is some additive for paint that prevents fish eye.

orange peel refers to the texture of the paint surface. the goal for the painter is to have the paint flow out as much as possible without runs or sags. temperature, thickness, airpressure, gun adjustments, and the speed of gun movement all play a part. it sounds more complex than it really is; to an experienced painter its kinda like riding a bike.......a fisheye is a "hole" in the paint caused by silicone contamination. fisheye eliminator is actually added silicone that makes the whole job kinda one big fisheye. the holes will fill in but it usually leads to a weirdness in the overall texture of the job.  i aivoid using it.....if the prep is clean and thorough, fisheye wont be a problem. .........armor-all and tire dressing are the biggest fisheye culprits, if its on the car or in the air it can make a mess. i dont allow it near my shop.

[LILBLUE65]

Like eldubb440 said, clean clean clean. We call it solvent pop ( fish eyes ). When the fella painted my 65, he did not do a good enough job whiping the car down before his first shot of paint. I wont make that mistake again.
Rob

[doug 371]

solvent pop is another completely different problem

[sunsetdart]

Like most of the guys have said........orange peel can be sanded with say 1500-2000 grit wet paper and then buffed. If the orange peel is in the color coat and the clear, you will get the clear smooth with buffing, but will still see the orange peel in the color underneath.
   Fish eye is a totally different problem. It comes mainly from contamination ,like oil in the air lines or from something as oil in your hands. Thats why its so important to wipe the car down with a pre paint wipe ,then a tack rag for dust. Fish eye also looks just like what it is....a fish eye. A spot within a spot.They cant be buffed out either.

[Teeto]

Is fish eye different then orange peel? I'm ignorant on the subject, but I know there is some additive for paint that prevents fish eye.

a fisheye is a "hole" in the paint caused by silicone contamination. fisheye eliminator is actually added silicone that makes the whole job kinda one big fisheye. the holes will fill in but it usually leads to a weirdness in the overall texture of the job.  i aivoid using it.....if the prep is clean and thorough, fisheye wont be a problem. .........armor-all and tire dressing are the biggest fisheye culprits, if its on the car or in the air it can make a mess. i dont allow it near my shop.

Finally a guy who knows what fish eye eliminator does! Once you use that crap plan on buying it for the rest of you life because once you use it your gun, gun cleaner everything is contaminated and you can't get buy for a long time without using it. The shop I used to paint at always used body shop "safe" cleaners. One day I was painting a complete job and all of a sudden my base coat fish eyed like crazy. Base coat. Yeah I said basecoat fisheyed haha. Come to find out some dink was outside armor all'ing his car. That sucked. Sometimes you will get a similar situation from water contamination from an un-dry paint line. It will look similar unless you look really close. It will look like a minuture volcano, a raised bump with a tiny hole in the center.

[eldubb440]

solvent pop is another completely different problem

i believe solvent pop to be unevaporated solvent; either from cleaner used just prior to spraying, or reducer in the undercoats. the top coat dries trapping solvent under the surface; the solvent eventually rises up and out thru tiny holes in the surface. they wont buff out either.

[71 demon child]

Heh.Solvent pop goes right to the bone.

   Carl

[67 dartgts]

Hello:

Personally i'd go back and talk to your painter.......i'd post a sign in my window"Orange peel paint job by ------".and ask him when he's going to finish his work.

Maynard

[bodyperson]

The quality of paint used can ( I say can) contribute to the quality of the finished product. Some of the cheaper products are harder to get a good finish compared to a high quality product. Charlie