Twin/Single Turbo Kits

[rharveysr]

Ok...first off I dont want this to sound like we are trying to obtain business and advertise our work...This is a fact finding thread!

What I would like to know if there was a twin turbo kit(complete) available for the B and RB motors...would there be enough interest? Just a little background on what we have done in the past. Been working on performance upgrades for the diesel pickups for the last 5 years. Done twin turbos,cams,heads and even NOS performance upgrades. Since my son Rickey and I have been working on his 68 Dart...we have been working on ideas for his car(performance wise). Been working with Exile turbo in southern California and also Team Racing Enterprises exploring ideas for turbo kit for our car. A conversation that I had this morning withi Rick Head..owner of Exile Turbo where we both was wondering if there would be enough interest to move forward.
What are your thoughts?

Rickey and I really appreciate your feedback

Rick and Rickey Jr.
R&R Racing Enterprises Inc.

[mattq]

That would be wicked..  But I have a small block for now

[MyCreation68]

It would be awesome but likely more money than I would be willing to spend. I'm building my own turbo system for a slant 6 and thats already going to cost me over 3K. good turbos are over a grand for half decent ones if you look at Garrett turbo's the turbo's I would want, are anywhere from 2-3K per turbo. then theirs the boost controllers and blow off valves.

[Think3205]

hey use my dart for mock-up while you got it up there, only thing i ask is that you leave the turbos in the car when i get it back   

[GON_RACIN]

A "bolt on" single turbo kit for a BB  A body would be awesome.  Look at all the single turbo fox body and SN95 mustangs running around, laying down impressive ET's at the track yet they are still tame enough to be street driven.  I've always been a nitrous junkie, but if I could afford to go turbo, I would.  There is definitly a market for a turbo kit, the trick is going to be keeping the price reasonable and the installation as pain free as possible. 

[Think3205]

A "bolt on" single turbo kit for a BB  A body would be awesome.  Look at all the single turbo fox body and SN95 mustangs running around, laying down impressive ET's at the track yet they are still tame enough to be street driven.  I've always been a nitrous junkie, but if I could afford to go turbo, I would.  There is definitly a market for a turbo kit, the trick is going to be keeping the price reasonable and the installation as pain free as possible. 

  even a smallblock kit would be cool... i was thinking of setting up a twin turbo set-up on my dart down the road...

[68S]

Here is one for the small block guys!
http://www.racingjunk.com/post/995442/Mopar-Turbo-Kits-Dart-Duster-Demon-Valiant-SB.html

Pat

[8 second dart]

I wait one. that would cool

[68droptop]

I would love to make my Dart a Twin Turbo 500 stroker. Turbo's are where it's at.  Why should the tuner car guys have all the fun? 

My interest would be for a relatively low rpm torque monster design.  I think that would mean smaller turbos that spool up quickly for lots of grunt and drivability.  I'm sure other people would be looking for full-eat strip power at higher R's.  Maybe you would need to offer two kit options.

I think if you could offer a quality, turn-key TT BB Mopar kit and keep it under $5K you would really have something.  Just my 2 cents...   Do it!

[cu440da]

You could put me down for a "hell yes I'd be interested", but in reality I'd never be able to afford a kit. Now if you were to make certain parts of the kit available seperately, like headers/manifolds, or intercooler you'd be more likely to get some of my money.

[Dartman1]

I think that the interest would be there. I think a for sure money maker would be to market some twin turbo headers or even cast iron manifold since they don't have weld to break under pressure. I know I would buy them. I'm working on my fuel injection system right now but then I start the turbo project. Either way I would be interested in seeing the out come.

[jyrki]

Those mustangs and others running impressive ET's at the track are most likely not a kit. A raesonably priced kti would be nice, but is it possible to make one? You have two block widths and an A-body has got a very limited space for everything. You need a lot of stuff with the turbos, and that's why we chose not to turbo an A-body. Just couldn't figure out how to get everything fit reasonably. But in a C- body everything fits a bit better.
http://www.partanen.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=257&pos=74

[rharveysr]

When we sell twin turbo kits for the diesel truck guys....what I have done in the past is make a list of the pieces with a price tag on each piece. For example we know that the Dodge Cummins needs a set of head studs to run the higher boost numbers(50lbs+)..so that is one of the line items with a price. Then  a deluxe boot kit with heavy duty spring clamps, then the turbo and then the piping kit. Yes dropping the complete cost of the kit all at once is tough...but piecing it out doesnt hurt so bad. Like this month you might have enough for one of the turbos, next month or so you have enough for the headers..etc
By doing it this way the cost of the kit can be spread out over time. Our last project was spread out over nearly 2 years. The customer was buying parts and stock piling them until everything was there. When he off loaded all the parts at the shop...it was $12k+ just in parts.
Anyway maybe there would be enough interest to explore this avenue....

Thanks
Rick and Rickey Jr.
R&R Racing Enterprises Inc.

[loiq]

It would be awesome but likely more money than I would be willing to spend. I'm building my own turbo system for a slant 6 and thats already going to cost me over 3K. good turbos are over a grand for half decent ones if you look at Garrett turbo's the turbo's I would want, are anywhere from 2-3K per turbo. then theirs the boost controllers and blow off valves.

You can get Holset turbos on ebay for $150. Rebuild kit is like $100. Done.

[tt440]

Those mustangs and others running impressive ET's at the track are most likely not a kit. A raesonably priced kti would be nice, but is it possible to make one? You have two block widths and an A-body has got a very limited space for everything. You need a lot of stuff with the turbos, and that's why we chose not to turbo an A-body. Just couldn't figure out how to get everything fit reasonably. But in a C- body everything fits a bit better.
http://www.partanen.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=257&pos=74

yep very tight fit all about the right size hammer

[Think3205]

Those mustangs and others running impressive ET's at the track are most likely not a kit. A raesonably priced kti would be nice, but is it possible to make one? You have two block widths and an A-body has got a very limited space for everything. You need a lot of stuff with the turbos, and that's why we chose not to turbo an A-body. Just couldn't figure out how to get everything fit reasonably. But in a C- body everything fits a bit better.
http://www.partanen.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=257&pos=74

yep very tight fit all about the right size hammer

that's a beautiful set-up you have there... great work!   

[rjsjea]

Abody specific underhood turbo.......I would definately be interested. 

[NYrr496]

How about a kit that mounts the turbos under the car by the rear axle? Puts the weight at the rear and supposedly makes an aftercooler unnecessary since the pipe dissipates the heat.

[MyCreation68]

When we sell twin turbo kits for the diesel truck guys....what I have done in the past is make a list of the pieces with a price tag on each piece. For example we know that the Dodge Cummins needs a set of head studs to run the higher boost numbers(50lbs+)..so that is one of the line items with a price. Then  a deluxe boot kit with heavy duty spring clamps, then the turbo and then the piping kit. Yes dropping the complete cost of the kit all at once is tough...but piecing it out doesnt hurt so bad. Like this month you might have enough for one of the turbos, next month or so you have enough for the headers..etc
 By doing it this way the cost of the kit can be spread out over time. Our last project was spread out over nearly 2 years. The customer was buying parts and stock piling them until everything was there. When he off loaded all the parts at the shop...it was $12k+ just in parts.
 Anyway maybe there would be enough interest to explore this avenue....

Thanks
Rick and Rickey Jr.
R&R Racing Enterprises Inc.

Personally I say go for it. theres enough people in this hobby who would be interested with the ability to buy it in pieces to make it worth your while. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with. Good luck!

[Capt Jack]

How about a kit that mounts the turbos under the car by the rear axle? Puts the weight at the rear and supposedly makes an aftercooler unnecessary since the pipe dissipates the heat.

Ive seen those.  Ive never driven one but I would imagine the turbo lag would be immense.  all that pipe leading from the engine to the turbo then back to the engine (I would imagine) would act like a huge manifold plenum.  I would think it'd take a bit of time to load the pressure into that much pipe volume (both on the exhaust and the intake sides).

sounds like it'd be great for a hauler or some other "not instantaneous" application though.  not sure about a drag car

[DartKnight]

This sounds like a great idea. However, what components would be included? One of the biggest reasons turbo kits end up being so expensive is because after the large pieces, the small and less flashy stuff tends to nickel and dime you to death.

[rharveysr]

The kit that I am talking about would be complete.The kit would have turbos,headers,intercooler,piping kit,blow off valve or valves,boot kit..It would include all those small and less flashy parts that you mentioned. When you receive your kit...its complete with all the clamps,brackets,bolts,screws etc. All you need to do is supply the tools!

Rick

[ksdartguy]

How about a kit that mounts the turbos under the car by the rear axle? Puts the weight at the rear and supposedly makes an aftercooler unnecessary since the pipe dissipates the heat.

Ive seen those.  Ive never driven one but I would imagine the turbo lag would be immense.  all that pipe leading from the engine to the turbo then back to the engine (I would imagine) would act like a huge manifold plenum.  I would think it'd take a bit of time to load the pressure into that much pipe volume (both on the exhaust and the intake sides).

sounds like it'd be great for a hauler or some other "not instantaneous" application though.  not sure about a drag car

Actually, No the remote mount turbo kits work well. With the newer designs of ball bearing turbo out there and proper sizing,
there is no turbo lag. Last week HP TV did a twin turbo kit on a corvette that is capable of 800engine HP. They had 554hp to
the wheels and it drove like a stock car even with increased mileage.

STS turbos make many kits. So remote mount sounds pretty good to me. Just lots of $$$$

http://www.ststurbo.com/