5.7 in 4-speed 64 dart

[Boony405hp]

Wow I just read all of this and its a very informative read. I am specifically interested in the install/running side of things apposed to the engine builds etc. Good information from gocirino about the right frame rail. Info like that is what needs to be posted, there are quite a few threads on these installs however I think many people are still confused by hearing conflicting stories.

I think what would be ideal would be if a few of the guys who have done A Bodie conversions themselves with these Gen III hemi's to maybe make one thread which outlines what you will need to do in regards to mounts, modifcations, wiring, computers etc. all the nitty gritty things and perhaps a part/price excel list along with as many pictures and then post it all up and then allow for comments after that. I think most people want to do this conversion while trying to save some money. I know I do.  Just a suggestion however I do understand that there are many variables which may make this difficult being transmission, computer, carb or efi etc. Food for thought anyway.

So what I have gathered though is if you bought a LX Car engine, would you be able to buy the truck accessorie setup and adapt it to a car engine (I gather using one of these brackets from the hemi shop as CudaSRT8 mentioned) Which therefore enables you to use the car intake setup?

As for this car intake setup does it have an advantage over the truck version other then purely looks?

With the flaming river steering is this purely to give more room or is it needed? (would be different in my case as I'm doing a right hand drive a bodie and the steering box is mounted ot the right hand chassis rail as apposed to the kframe in your stock suspension cars.

Dave

[CudaSRT8]

Boony405hp,
Go up to the top of this Engine/Drivetrain section and read through the post started by Gocirino.   He started a thread for any of us to post any / all things regarding the GenIII Hemi.   It's titled something like "3rd Gen. Hemi in A/body".   You'll find LOTS of pictures there, especially with later A-bodies.   

If your car is right hand drive, you just may be in luck.  A large problem area mounting the new Hemi in an A-body is in dealing with the steering column and steering box on the left side.   You may be able to mount it in the stock position for your car or worst case, moving over slightly to the left would clear your column and box real nice. 

Also, look up Golfer John's conversion into a '68 Dart convertible.  He and several of us are using the AlterKtion though.    Makes it real easy to lower that puppy in there.   

I don't know that you'd need to use the truck accessories.  With the steering box mounted on the right frame rail, you should have plenty of room up front to mount the alternator and the AC pump.   

The biggest concern MAY be some steering linkage interference with the oil pan.   I think a stock truck pan may be the answer there.   Again, check out the Gen3 post at the top of this section.   Oh, and WELCOME to 

[Boony405hp]

I'd love to go the alterktion front end, but was going to see if I could get away with the stock kframe first. In that case I'd have to make a custom sump or get a charlies one. With the alterktion can you use the stock sumps the engines come with???

I'll see if i have a picture of my engine bay that I can post up. I think i may get away with some clearance if i keep the stock setup, going to a kframe mounted rack n pinion (which I'd like to do) may cause some problems. I found that 3rd gen topic, very informative.

cheers

[CudaSRT8]

Boony,
The LX car engines have a cast aluminum, front sump pan.   The Jeep Grand Cherokees have a cast aluminum, rear sump pan and the Ram pickups have a steel, rear sump pan.   Cheapest way to start and experiment with would be a truck pan.   If that works for you, you could always upgrade(?) to the Jeep pan (they're pretty cool  )...

[Boony405hp]

Well these forums are pretty much the bible atm in terms of the engine swap. Being in Aus. we only have 300c's and jeeps with the hemi, and they are so thin on the ground everythign would be coming from the states, so I'll suss it out before then so I don't have to second guess.

Heres a pic of my engine bay, as you can see the steering box on the right hand side, however I think i'd have the same alternator clearance issue with a car hemi.

[DarrenM]

I found this board and joined because of this thread.  I'm sure others have too; It was linked from Moparts.

Any chance we could make this one a sticky, or tech. archive it?  It would be a shame to see it disappear.

[Bill_Reilly]

Sticky'd

[CudaSRT8]

Boony,
I'm use to seeing my own engine compartment with the AlterK, and putting the (car) 6.1 engine with the lower accessories is tight enough and causing me plenty of work to improve clearances.   After looking at your engine bay, I really don't think it's realistic to try and stuff the car Hemi in there.   I'll propose a few options I think would be more practical:

Truck Hemi with stock manifold and top mounted accessories
Truck Hemi with Mopar Perf. throttle body intake (like on MP crate motor) with top mounted accessories
Car Hemi (5.7 or 6.1)with adapter from Hemi Shop to use top mounted accessories

Using one of these suggestions would be a good start.   HOWEVER, when I look at the torsion bars and the drag link, geez, you've got a bit of a road ahead of you to fit some exhaust in there...

[DarrenM]

Awesome.  Well worth it in my opinion.

Thanks Bill.

Sticky'd

[Boony405hp]

Here is a link to someone in Australia with the same car as me, the engine seems to fit, not sure what version hemi it came with whether it was truck, car, or crate. I will be talkign to him in regards to a lot of clearances, however his application is drag more then road.

http://www.twinturbohemicharger.cavoa.com/

In terms of the intake manifold is there any advantages comparing the car to the truck one? The last one sounds good a car hemi with the truck adapter setup.

As for exhaust - who needs one...seriously though I'd have to look into that but really want to do this conversion.

From what I've read in here I'm confused as to whether or not you can use the stock computer (or whether you'd want to???). I thought I read on hotrodlanes site that they sell computers/wiring harness and they flash them is it, and can give you one suited to specific transmissions.

Dave

[Boony405hp]

I've re read the posts a couple of times, so it appears steer clear of the factory computer at all costs as its a pain in the butt. Now there is the Mopar unit, the fast and then there is the AEM, does anyone know which version/model number of the AEM computer?, just doing some research at the moment

[rjsjea]

Dave Weber could help you out here in comparing the two.......

He has done both and told me it really matters on who is tuning the system and there experience.  The FAST system is quite a bit cheaper, but needs more tuning to get it right. Dave can set up either with a "pretty close" tune from his shop.  The Mopar unit is made by AEM, supposedly on backorder for 6months!!



http://www.henrycorods.com/

[GTS Cowboy]

 

[mopar_vince]

  I guess my question is,does anybody have pics for an EARLY A (pre '66) install since the thread got shifted around to LATE ('67-up) installs? Don't mind spending it if have to,but my name AIN'T Trump.

[CudaSRT8]

Mopar Vince,
I not positive, but I'm pretty sure Bill Reilly makes and AlterKtion to put the 5.7 engine into an early A.   It's an even tighter fit than the later A body, so I'm pretty sure you'd be best off with the truck front cover / accessories...

[mopar_vince]

  How much?

[rjsjea]

Give Bill a call........   https://www.reillymotorsports.com/contact.shtml

[Joe-Dokes]

Over on the Reilly site there is a discussion of putting a truck hemi into an early A.  Long thread short, forget most accessories, particularly power steering, other accessories mounted in the truck location are a distinct possibility.  Read the whole thread, he even has some pics that you can download.

You can find the thread here.

https://www.reillymotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.0

Regards

Joe Dokes