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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2007, 07:36:04 PM »

I've checked both the grocery stores where I live and haven't been able to find the new magazine. I live outside of the big city so the grocery stores are my only source for the magazines aside from a subscription. They do have mags. like Mopar Action on the shelf.
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2007, 07:37:38 PM »

just goto the web site and subscribe..  its what $17. and if you don't like it just don't renew..
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2007, 08:31:49 PM »

I guess I should! $17.00 a year is a good thing.
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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2007, 10:57:30 PM »

Pick up the latest Mopar Enthuiest that should be on the newstands any day now.  Its got a nice shootout of 4 low buck home built Mopars.  Believe me the green Dart and red 63 are low buck.   Wink    Ron
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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2007, 10:31:05 AM »

Now wait a minute. I just saw a bunch of you guys in Mopar Enthusiast Magazine. Whaddya mean there's no "real world" cars? (I just did a bunch of cartoons for them; and they were ALL real world cars)

n that mag is to new to give any feedback..  we don't know what direction they are going yet..  but i do know they had the blue GTX wagon in it a month after one of the other mags had it...  and the second issue with the dart on the cover has the article about the dart and how the owner paid someone to do the entire thing and how its never been at the track..  but he did win a ton of trophies with it at car shows Roll Eyes  ....      we will see what directions it goes...   so far i'm a little disappointed but i will give greg the bennifit of the doubt that he will make it a good mag.  just has to grow into it ..    if it goes the way of the others then i just won't renew.

Allow me to address your comments, Joe.
And please do NOT take this as an attack on you personally or as an attack on ANY of your comments.
I just felt it was time to respond to some of what I'm reading on the forums - and since you and I are "best buds" I figured I'd respond to YOUR issues.

RE: The Blue '68 GTX station wagon.
As hard as it may be for some people to believe, Cliff Gromer, Rob Wolfe, Randy Bolig and I do NOT get together for pizza and beer once a week to discuss what each of us is putting in our magazines.
As much as we all love what we're doing, and as much fun as it is, it's still a business - a VERY COMPETITIVE business - where each of us is trying to one-up the others in order to score more subscriptions and more newsstand sales.
Joe, if you think YOU were upset about the GTX wagon coming out in another magazine roughly 2 weeks before us, imagine how we felt knowing our issue was off at the printer with the EXACT SAME CAR in it.
The two stories and photography on the car were done by two totally different guys who don't even know each other, and no one can blame them for trying to make a buck selling the feature to a magazine.
Over the last 20+ years, you would be amazed by how many car owners have burned me by telling me I was the only one to ever photograph their car - and then, a month later, I see it in another magazine.
So the fact that the GTX wagon was in two magazines at the same time was beyond the control of either editor.

OK, so the red Hemi Dart on the cover of the second issue has never been down the drag strip.
Does that in and of itself make the owner a bad guy?
Can you state for a fact that each and EVERY single musclecar ever sold new was driven on the drag strip by each and every owner of that particular car?
Have you personally had EVERY single car you've EVER owned on the drag strip?
Of course not - and that's my point.
The magazine is "Mopar Enthusiast", NOT "Drag Racing Enthusiast".
There will be coverage of each and every aspect of the Mopar hobby - racing and non-racing alike.
A time slip should NOT be a criteria for having a car in a magazine.
Look on page 92 of the new issue:
I know for a fact that neither Larry nor his mom have ever had the Imperial on the drag strip.
Does that mean the car shouldn't be in a magazine?
Or do you and I need to discuss which one of us is bringing the tar and which one of us is bringing the feathers when we go to Larry's house?

And your 3rd point:
OK - you're a little dissappointed...............................
Please tell me EXACTLY what we could have done differently so as to NOT dissapoint you.
Be specific - give me details.
If YOU were the editor of "Mopar Enthusiast" magazine, EXACTLY what would you have done differently with each issue so as NOT to dissappoint ABodyJoe?
And I throw that same question out to every one of you:


And as for me growing into it, I totally and completely disagree with you.
I do NOT need to grow into the magazine.
What does need to happen though is for the magazine to grow into what the READERS want - but I can't make that happen if all I'm getting are negative comments and complaints without details or suggestions.
Complaining for the pure satisfaction of complaining does NOBODY any good - including the one doing the complaining.

Ya know, I get paid good money for what I do - I'll admit to that.
And even though Amos Automotive Publishing pays me every two weeks, it's the end consumer who I actually work for - it's the readers who send Amos the money to pay me to do what it is I do - provide you, the readers, with what you want for your hard-earned $$$$.
So, in effect, it's the readers who are my boss.
Now, let me ask ALL of you something:
Suppose your boss came up to you and said, "you're doing a lousy job - your work sucks" - and then just walked away without telling you what you're doing wrong or how to fix it.
How would YOU feel?
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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2007, 10:58:24 AM »

Greg:
  Although we don't personally know each other It is nice to see you comment on this forum.  Your explanations are valid and reasonable, and I think any body should be able to see where you'r coming from.  Perhaps, a suggestion would be in order.  It seems the vast majority of comments are about the regular everyday guy's car.  Would it be feasible for you to establish a section devoted to the low buck do it yourselfer. Maybe call it the" Shade Tree" or "Home Brewed" someething along those lines anyway.  This  section carries articles or photos of home built cars, maybe even garages and work areas of low buck guys.  Show cars half built or built running and in need of paint.  I think you get the idea.
  If I have offended you or any of your friends I do apoligze, However cvonstructive critisicume is seldom pleasent.

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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2007, 11:34:26 AM »

 trust me, i don't take anything personal that is written on the internet...   what suprises me is that anyone would pick a no-body like me out of 3 pages of replys to answer right to me..   no way i have that type of pull/status.

  greg i think you read what i typed differently then how it was meant...  and maybe you took it too personal.  if you see what i typed i said the magazine was too new to give a definate feedback ..  its been out for three issues..  how can you tell anything from three issues? and if you read what i write here and other sites i defend you and say i have faith that you will get it to be a top must read magazine..  i tell people to give the magazine time to find its identity. like i said nothing can be perfect after 3 issues.


  are there some things i like ? sure.  are there some things i dislike? sure. 

  i didn't mean that  you need to grow into it ( maybe thats the way i typed it but didn't mean it that way) . we know you have been in the business for years.  i meant the magazine has to grow into its spot among the others out there.   it will develope its identity over time.. i don't see that as a negative thing. 


   i know you were upset about the wagon and it being in your magazine after it appeared in another.. but if you ask me it happens all too often. and not just you guys..  yes i can see the owner not telling you the truth about it being in other mgazines.  hell i probably wouldn't say so either..  but to me its the guy picking that car that isn't thinking outside the box..  seems to me all the guys picking the cars are shareing the same brain.


  now as far as the hemi dart goes..    its just the same crap that everyone else puts out... a guy spends 150K on a car with all kinds of speed equipment on it and it never sees the track..  sorry to me there is nothing interesting about it. and all the guy can say about his car is that it gets alot of trophies..   come on..  that sucks... you have to admit that it is boring to keep seeing that...


things i like..  i love teds articles.  the one  on timing. you know how much that comes up on the different sites?  people are scared to death to touch a dizzy for some reason..  teds article i think explained it in simple terms that should help people out..  i even refered a few people on other sites to the magazine jus for that article...

the track shoot outs i like...   personally i think there should be action shots included..  maybe the cars doing their burnout or launching.   think it would be cool to see that over the car just sitting in the pits.. heck you don't even need to be at the track for that...  ifor instance ron's car (383man) in this issue launches awesome with like 8" inder the tire..  well i want to see that in the article not in the contents page.

i like the coverage of some of the smaller shows..  the lil guys never get enough coverage from the other guys...


i like the tech stuff that dave has been doing..  why?  because its all stuff that i see people ask about day in and day out on the different mopar sites.  the fan shroud..  good one. alot of people don't know how much they actually help,  the dual fld alt..  another one that prople don't know about even though it was covered in another mag years ago...    and a couple others coming up that i won't ruin the suprise about..  all good back yard things you can do.


what i would like to see?  i posted that earlier in the thread..  i would like to see a junk yard 5.7 and stick in into a muscle era car.  want prices and details of the problems involved(unlike MM who failed to mention a starter problem with early -A's tti headders ) and the options i have with exhaust, computers, and what woul be better a car or truck motor..  i also want to see track times even if the car only have a 2.94 gear. and i want to see real world MPG results.... you know how many people are scared of that swap because of the computer?  i know a magazine can prove its not as bad as it looks.   i'm also in daves ear as to things that i would like to see..   i know he isn't you but is someone that will bounce ideas off you.

i just e-mailed you the other day saying that i noticed the only two 66 hemi chargers painted that mauve color in your latest issue at two different events.  thought that was cool to see. the only two 66 hemi chargers to exist in that color being in the same issue of the same magazine but at different events..  whats the chances of that?..   i still question that you really knew about it like you said...lol (that was a joke)


  what i don't want to see..  sorry but i don't want to see race cars that never see the track..  i don't care if they have 200K into them..    i don't want to see 100K restorations..   sorry but you see one restored e-body you've seen them all....  i don't wantr to see a new truck or chargers in it..  let that new stuff start their own magazine..  heck they have their own sityes dedicated to the,  (lxforums.com)  but hey thats in my perfect world..  do i know you can't do that? yes.  but you asked what i would want to see or not see to make me happy...   



  like i said i'm not bashing your magazine or any other magazine.. i speek my mind..  does it piss some people off? yes..    but hey thats me...   i say it as i see it plain and simple..  don't take it so personal.
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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2007, 11:56:01 AM »

Yes The Bloomington Ghost from IL. 66 Mauve Hemi Dodge Charger and Kieth is a great down to earth guy.Great reply abodyjoe and Thank You Greg Rager for your time and efforts.
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2007, 11:58:07 AM »

Yes The Bloomington Ghost from IL. 66 Mauve Hemi Dodge Charger and Kieth is a great down to earth guy.Great reply abodyjoe and Thank You Greg Rager for your time and efforts.


  thats the unrestored one...   the other one that is restored is owned by a guy i know named Myron.  he was presiden of a mopar club i was with in the early 90's.
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« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2007, 12:15:18 PM »

Yes The Bloomington Ghost from IL. 66 Mauve Hemi Dodge Charger and Kieth is a great down to earth guy.Great reply abodyjoe and Thank You Greg Rager for your time and efforts.


  thats the unrestored one...   the other one that is restored is owned by a guy i know named Myron.  he was presiden of a mopar club i was with in the early 90's.
Yes I have heard of him.Outstanding car also. I first met Corra and Kieth at birthday party for the 66 charger in Osage Beach in MO. (2001) I have been to his house in Bloomington,IL. just last year.I drove up his driveway and there sits 2 Hemi Chargers in the garage! He just got his red Hemi 66 Charger back from resto. from Jim Rodebaugh its a outstanding car also.
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« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2007, 01:02:33 PM »

One thing I can say is in the first issue they put my comments about how I like the shoouts as I like to know how cars run.  And they have a  shootout in the latest issue and I know they have more coming.  So to me that is giving me the customer what I asked for.  It tells me they listen and will do as much as they can to make it a good mag.   Yes I got lucky enough to get my car in the mag but I just love reading about the combo's and how they run.  Dont matter if its my car or someone else's. 

Oh and thanks for your reply Greg.    Smiley    Ron
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