3rd. Generation Hemi/A-Body Stuff

[gocirino]

Thought I'd start a separate thread for the 3G guys. Let er rip!!!

[Bakaruda]

Cool.

[gocirino]

Ruster - I know this isn't much of a big deal and I'm not the first to do this, but this is how I moved the wiper
motor under the dash panel.

1) I first removed the old wiper motor and replaced it with a 1/4" aluminum (5052) plate

2) I used a modern Chrysler wiper motor (in this case from a 2006 Charger SRT8) and
fabricated a steel bracket to mount the wiper motor under the dash mating the old with the new.

3) Test fit and tacked together... works super smooth. The geometry is almost identical because of the small
size of the new motor assembly.

[USCG Charger]

John stop showing all of us weak links up...... ... man that looks good! now get ur ass down to corpus and finish mine!

Jason

[gocirino]

  "My Cuda is an original AC car so I'd eventually like to get the air working.  Does the new hemi compressor work with the old system or are they of a different type ie orfice tube vs expansion valve that adjusts during operation.  I know some systems are designed so that the compressor runs all the time unless the charge is low or something else is wrong while some systems operate the clutch in normal operation.  So basically can you use the new compressor with the old system?"

Ruster



Ruster, I have not attacked the a/c yet. I have the connectors to hook it up to an aftermarket or stock  system from
http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/,

The  guy that really is the best source for parts and info and has built about three of these cars is Dave Weber from Modern Muscle.
I met him at Carlisle at a 6.1 seminar along with Herb McCandless. Dave is a first class guy like Bill Reilly. I try to spend my money with the good guys
and unfortunately there aren't to many of them. Give Dave a call or check him out at http://www.henrycorods.com/.

Regards,

John

[Bakaruda]

I am going to use a Streetrod cable unit in my car. I am shaving the complete firewall.

[rjsjea]

That motor looks great.........damn I my be dumping my motor and gettin one.   On moparts, a dealer there was saying $9,999 msrp from MP  WITH the wiring and computer.  That 9,999 price is before dealers add their discount to.......so they will be cheaper.  They are over 100lbs lighter than a smallblock and conservatively rated @425hp.    DAMN..

[smitty72]

I like the wiper motor move, what are you using for the controls? the factory ones?

[MomsR/T]

that wiper thing is way cool.

[gocirino]

I like the wiper motor move, what are you using for the controls? the factory ones?

Thanks,

Too much time on my hands I guess!  I am using an aftermarket switch for high and low and a relay too. I didn't use the intermittent wiper setting.
It's amazing how quiet the wipers are with the new setup. Before it sounded like a Maytag washer.

[gocirino]

This is the fabrication I did today for the FAST computers behind the glove box (my new dash is glove box delete). I just built a removable 3/16" aluminum (5052) shelf and put a 90' brake in it for added strength.
I welded steel brackets on either side to support it. Completely removable though. I attached the whole thing together using self tapping roll thread screws. If you
aren't familiar with roll threads you might want to try them, a little pricey but they work like gangbusters when doing fab work, especially with aluminum.

What a freakin mess with all those wires!!!!!!!  I miss the old days.... 12volts and fuel and your otta here!!!!!

[gocirino]

And this is the Keisler computer mounted under the driver side vent sidewall. Fabbed the bracket with 1/8" aluminum (5052 type)

[DavidBrenner]

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[gocirino]

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Dave,I looked at your pics on your website... that's one pretty Cuda!!!
New hemi will be perfect for it. Have you checked out Dave Weber's site. He has built a
couple of these in notchback Cudas.  http://www.henrycorods.com
I like this one he did with the eight throttle bodys.

[67barracuda]

What kind of perfromance are we seeing with 3rd gen hemi motors? A stock motor should run what kind of  1/4 mile times. List your set up.

[flyboy01]

The new issue of Popular Hot Rodding has an article where they take a hemi and add XV's manifold, carb, and ignition kit and dyno test the motor.

[jeffneal66]

Frank Racing has been quoting 12 second 1/4 mile times for the new Charger/Magnum/300 cars.

[USCG Charger]

The fastest 3rd gen Hemi ran a 11.2...... it was a 6.1L stroker. Most of the 5.7L head and cam only cars are doing about mid 12 and up....... the 6.1 heand and cam cars... some are gettin into the high 11's....... If u do a stroker u can expect to take of about .5 seconds... Those are crazy fast time w/4500lb cars and non adjustable gears or sus. I fully expect my 5.7L stoker to run in the 10's in my dart and 11's in my charger....... And all this is gettin close to 20mpg... completely unheard of.


Jason

[MomsR/T]

our fastest 5.7 (stock bottom end) heads and cam car ran 12.01 in a 4000 lb 300C

our fastest 6.1 (stock bottom end) heads and cam car ran a 12.02 in a 4200 lb Charger SRT8

our fastest stock bottom ended car PERIOD ran a 11.4 w/ a 100 shot of dope in a 4500+ lb SRT8 Magnum

Fastest LX period is a 11.2 and is a 426 stroked SRT8 300 who strips everything they can from the car and reaches under the 4000# mark

[USCG Charger]

What does Eric have in his ? I didn't know he was running dope.....

Jason

[gocirino]

Somebody asked about the Ron Francis wiring. Here's a pic of what it looks like.

[Ruster]

I'm liking that wiper conversion.  Very clevar.  I wonder if a bracket welded to the blockoff plate would work.  I always melt stuff and set it on fire when I weld in confined spaces.  I'm a crappy welder though.  Theres nothing I hate more than working under dashes.

[gocirino]

I'm liking that wiper conversion.  Very clevar.  I wonder if a bracket welded to the blockoff plate would work.  I always melt stuff and set it on fire when I weld in confined spaces.  I'm a crappy welder though.  Theres nothing I hate more than working under dashes.

HiRuster,

I agree, welding under the dash is brutal. However, I use a welding blanket spread out around the interior and keep a spotter standing by with a fire extinguisher handy.

I am sure someone will come up with a better way to do it... my job was a bit impulsive when I did it.

[67Dart383]

Good work! Gocirino, man I wish I had a project going like yours!!          

[CudaSRT8]

COOL!  I finally figured out how to post pictures!   Here's my Cuda SRT8 engine bay mockup.   It's currently in primer w/guidecoat.   Will be painted body color when I figure out what color I'm going to paint the car     I'll be welding many holes shut, which I mimicked by using some gray plastic sheeting over the holes I'm going to fill.  It's late now, but will post more pics later.   Have some shots of many of the close tolerance situations I've had to work out...

[gocirino]

Good work! Gocirino, man I wish I had a project going like yours!!          

Thanks man!  I'm having too much fun doing it and sharing it all, good and bad, with the guys on this site.

[gocirino]

COOL!  I finally figured out how to post pictures!   Here's my Cuda SRT8 engine bay mockup.   It's currently in primer w/guidecoat.   Will be painted body color when I figure out what color I'm going to paint the car     I'll be welding many holes shut, which is mimicked by using some gray plastic sheet over the holes I'm going to fill.  It's late now, but will post more pics later.   Have some shots of many of the close tolerance situations I've had to work out...

CudaSRT8 lookin good!!! I would like to see more pics of the rest of the car. I see your from SFO area. I have relatives in Los Gatos, maybe I can look you up and
see the project in person next time I'm out that way.

John

[rjsjea]

Cudastr8, more pics of that engine compartment plz .   I wonder how much changing I will need to do to my AlterK (BigBlock) to fit a 6.1L.......

Cudasrt8, u gonna run A/c?? Is the compressor on the lower driver side???  Wonder how that plumbing will work??

May be selling my Bigblock and goin this route.........damn another change,  , dont tell my wife

thanks Rob

[USCG Charger]

I've changed my dart several time untill I actually commited myself to buyin a Hemi...... good luck w/the build.  BTW it was my wifes idea fo this hemi swap so I wont be gettin into trouble untill she see the CC bill.....

Jason

[CudaSRT8]

rjsjea,
 
Yeah, I'm going to run AC.   With the AlterK, it's a piece of cake.   I'll post some pics (just learned how last night). 

I'm pretty sure that Bill R. uses the same engine mount base on the AlterK for most of the Mopar engine family.  (someone correct me if I'm wrong here)  I think all you have to do is get the Gen3 engine mount brackets and bolt the Gen3 in place of where the 440 was.  However, Bill places the engines in the stock, crank centerline position, and below is a pic of how close the engine is to the pass. side fenderwell.