Block-IN-A BAG 383-440

[jackie]

steve, look's like you over torqued the mains... just weld it back up..

[fasttcars]

steve, look's like you over torqued the mains... just weld it back up..

quick dry weld bond

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

Hello: I also know Dale and Mike at CSM and have had the opportunity to go through their shop.  Although I have not had them do any machine work for me yet.  I would not hesitate to recommend them.  A more efficient, better equipped, cleaner shop you will be hard pressed to find.   As "bigtimeauto said you got to compare apples to apples.     I did have a problem with my Dana 60 which Dale took care of for me in very reasonable time.  By the way these guys also race their Mopars.  You won't find Chevy or Ford parts there.             Maynard

Hi Maynard hows it going? Winter Sucks it been a little nipple here . Herb has used them and I talked to him about them. He also highly recommended them also. This is a great shop for the Midwest guys and any where in the country for that fact. I did not realize that they had the 440 Source heads for sale. If they sell there heads they should be able to sell there entire product line. Plus there machine work is second to none! The shipping alone would of saved me 55 dollars. Plus they could of went thru the heads for me before I picked them up. I will use them just to get a quick check over to make sure everything is ok before I use them. I'M hoping to get my 383 over to them in the next couple of months for rebuild. I need to get this dart up and running. I want to drive it to the Mopar Nationals in August! Stay Warm and talk to you later.

[67 dartgts]

Hello Jim:
  Yeah cold here also furnace in garage hardly able to keep up.  Yeah I know Herb and Spence both had Dale & Mike do some work for them.. I got a 383 and 727 coming in later from my son in trade for some brake work, on his 68 Road Runner.   Maybe I'll shoot the block up and see what Dale thinks about turning it into a 426 Street Wedge,  got a new 440 crank so it should be a piece of cake.  Make a good sleeper in maybe a early model Dakota???  Like to build up somethng this spring to sell.
  It's nice to have them close by ...even if i don't drive up to get something a quick call and I got it next day.   Of course I could go to Hughes, but I know the other  guys.
  Hey did you see Tony Pedrigon's fire on ESPN last night... WOW what a testmonial for Impact fire suits.  It makes you not care so much about putting on your gear.
   Maynard

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

Hello Jim:
  Yeah cold here also furnace in garage hardly able to keep up.  Yeah I know Herb and Spence both had Dale & Mike do some work for them.. I got a 383 and 727 coming in later from my son in trade for some brake work, on his 68 Road Runner.   Maybe I'll shoot the block up and see what Dale thinks about turning it into a 426 Street Wedge,  got a new 440 crank so it should be a piece of cake.  Make a good sleeper in maybe a early model Dakota???  Like to build up something this spring to sell.
  It's nice to have them close by ...even if i don't drive up to get something a quick call and I got it next day.   Of course I could go to Hughes, but I know the other  guys.
  Hey did you see Tony Pedrigon's fire on ESPN last night... WOW what a testimonial for Impact fire suits.  It makes you not care so much about putting on your gear.
   Maynard

Hey Maynard its Rick not Jim!  I realize that memory is the first to go but I can not remember whats second? Yeah that would be bad ass a 426 street wedge. How do you get trades for working on your sons car? My kids think everything is Free!  No I missed the entire event.  Fu$$ing cable went out Sat. afternoon and still has not been restored yet? I heard from the board here that he was racing John Force?  Do not say that Hu$$es word around Herb he will go off. 

Rick 

[67 dartgts]

Hello:
OMG yeah I know its Rick  just finished a e-mail to a Jim guess it got stuck in my brain sorry.  Yeah I was at Herbs when he was in the process of taking that paticular engine apart.  To say he was unhappy is a understatement I thought he was going to blow a gasket.  I don't mention it to him ...gonna miss showing next to him.....he always has something new on his car.
  Well think i'll see if it's warmed up in the garage yet.
   Later
   Maynard

[CRE2004]

I found this today on Chenoweth web site. Check it out and yet me know what you guys think?

https://chenowethspeedandmachine.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_30&osCsid=72dbcbac82d96be86474083764696b9e

I personally think it's a great thing..... but I may be a little biased
Mike Chenoweth

[FastmOp]

Looks like a great deal to me as well, I'll be seeing you in the future, just not sure when yet , have so much left to do yet.
PS how bout some hot rod pics of what yall race, I might have seen yall and just not know it.

[67 dartgts]

Helllo:
     
   HI Mike 

     Maynard

[Ciscodog]

When I run out of blocks in my shed, I'll be giving these guys a call most likely.  It's a good deal.

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

I found this today on Chenoweth web site. Check it out and yet me know what you guys think?

https://chenowethspeedandmachine.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_30&osCsid=72dbcbac82d96be86474083764696b9e

I personally think it's a great thing..... but I may be a little biased
Mike Chenoweth

Hey Mike in the future will you be doing more items with 440Source? Stroker kits,heads etc.  What is your opinion about running the new aluminum heads right out of the box? For a street use 383 under 500hp . I see a lot of buyers on these heads saying that they are changing the keepers and retainers? Did you do any test runs with the new heads? I saw on moparts some one offered to have a back to back  free dyno test with the 440Source and the rpm heads! When you replied is the short block ready and do you have RPM heads on hand? He never replied back.   Thanking you for coming on site .Have fun and stay around for a while a real great group of members here.

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

 

[smallbigblock]

quick dry weld bond

beat me to it, I was going to say "JB weld should take care of that

[fasttcars]

And no offense to anyone  but then after the 1650  +_300 core charge{1950 total}  you still just have a factory iron capped two bolt block  that's gona have the known cap walk issues{+ personaly seen}........so ok then add aftermarket caps  400$ {2350 total} the machining 300${2650 total}....and a girdle  for  300${2950 total}......so now youve got way more into the thing as a aftermarket 4-bolt block  except now you don't have any of the benefits of all the extra rigidity  or the big 4.50 bore{+}   of a aftermarket block....here check these out


http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/blocks2.html

[BBLM23]

And no offense to anyone  but then after the 1650  +_300 core charge{1950 total}  you still just have a factory iron capped two bolt block  that's gona have the known cap walk issues{+ personaly seen}........so ok then add aftermarket caps  400$ {2350 total} the machining 300${2650 total}....and a girdle  for  300${2950 total}......so now youve got way more into the thing as a aftermarket 4-bolt block  except now you don't have any of the benefits of all the extra rigidity  or the big 4.50 bore{+}   of a aftermarket block....here check these out


http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/blocks2.html

The problem is none of those aftermarket blocks are low-decks....

[fasttcars]

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/blocks2.html

The problem is none of those aftermarket blocks are low-decks....

i do hear you on that aspect ..  that has been a problem for years   maybe  if some of us start demanding it something will happen.....

[NYrr496]

I have a 70 block with that antifreeze rib on it. It's .030 over, decked .020 and squared. I was about to buy one of the main girdle kits, but by the time I buy it AND my machinist gets 300 dollars to line hone it, I'm halfway to one of those new blocks with priority oiling, cross bolted mains and indexed lifter bores.

BTW, I think that block in a bag is a good deal. Priced machine work lately?

I kinda lucked out. I'm collecting parts to do a fresh Chevy for my truck and swung by my machinist to order a pair of EQ Vortec heads. He had some 350 chevy blocks all machined, cleaned and ready to go. He let me have one for 500 bucks. This thing is way more than I would have done for my daily driver, but it was a good deal.

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

From the link you listed. So if we compare apples to apples correct. If you use there 2 bolt main block that they offer.  440 Wedge cast iron block 2 bolt mains finish bore at 4.32" for $2,749.00 add aftermarket caps/machining and gridle  then add $1000 the same cost factor as mentioned > $3749.00  I guess what I do not understand is why is the 2-bolt main block priced the same as the 440 Siamesed Cross-Bolt Block with the 4.498" and 4.50" rough bore? In my opinion for the same money I would buy the 440 Siamesed Cross-Bolt Block !! If I did not want a low-deck block. Should it not be at least a $1000 less?  I would say that at $1950 it is better then $2749!  Plus they do not offer a Low-Deck Block.

[CRE2004]

I found this today on Chenoweth web site. Check it out and yet me know what you guys think?

https://chenowethspeedandmachine.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_30&osCsid=72dbcbac82d96be86474083764696b9e

I personally think it's a great thing..... but I may be a little biased
Mike Chenoweth

Hey Mike in the future will you be doing more items with 440Source? Stroker kits,heads etc.  What is your opinion about running the new aluminum heads right out of the box? For a street use 383 under 500hp . I see a lot of buyers on these heads saying that they are changing the keepers and retainers? Did you do any test runs with the new heads? I saw on moparts some one offered to have a back to back  free dyno test with the 440Source and the rpm heads! When you replied is the short block ready and do you have RPM heads on hand? He never replied back.   Thanking you for coming on site .Have fun and stay around for a while a real great group of members here.

Hi Guys,
    I will eventually have most of the 440source items on my website and in stock, just takes time. We've got a few customers that are running stealth heads OTB with no issues. We've been using the Edelbrock head gaskets with good luck. We'll be slapping a set of OTB heads on a 431ci stroker 383 shortly. I was going to volunteer a set of stealth heads, but I sold them later that afternoon.
Mike

[CRE2004]

And no offense to anyone  but then after the 1650  +_300 core charge{1950 total}  you still just have a factory iron capped two bolt block  that's gona have the known cap walk issues{+ personaly seen}........so ok then add aftermarket caps  400$ {2350 total} the machining 300${2650 total}....and a girdle  for  300${2950 total}......so now youve got way more into the thing as a aftermarket 4-bolt block  except now you don't have any of the benefits of all the extra rigidity  or the big 4.50 bore{+}   of a aftermarket block....here check these out


http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/blocks2.html

Supply your own core and you're at 1650, I have steel caps for 150, and I have to align bore the block anyhow, so the only additional charge that might apply is if we have to mill the caps for main register press and that's 50, so throw on a girdle and that's another 450.  Total of 2350 out the door. This isn't meant to compete against mega blocks or aluminum race blocks. It's just an alternative for those that want to build high hp stock blocks for appearance reasons, blueprint a block for a resto application, or build low deck applications.

[jackie]

ok, you got me.. what is a antifreeze rib??

[IL.DART340- 4SP]

 Please post the results. I am sure that I'm not the only member who would like to see a set of these heads on a running 431 stroker motor or any other motor for that fact.

[fasttcars]

From the link you listed. So if we compare apples to apples correct. If you use there 2 bolt main block that they offer.  440 Wedge cast iron block 2 bolt mains finish bore at 4.32" for $2,749.00 add aftermarket caps/machining and gridle  then add $1000 the same cost factor as mentioned > $3749.00  I guess what I do not understand is why is the 2-bolt main block priced the same as the 440 Siamesed Cross-Bolt Block with the 4.498" and 4.50" rough bore? In my opinion for the same money I would buy the 440 Siamesed Cross-Bolt Block !! If I did not want a low-deck block. Should it not be at least a $1000 less?  I would say that at $1950 it is better then $2749!  Plus they do not offer a Low-Deck Block.

they  only offer the 2-bolt blocks  specificaly for  nhra  spec style racing  the rest of the block is still a updated version of the factory ones..including the material...all the other blocks  that they offer for the 440 are cross bolted{dosen't get any better then that  besides double cross bolted

[fasttcars]

And no offense to anyone  but then after the 1650  +_300 core charge{1950 total}  you still just have a factory iron capped two bolt block  that's gona have the known cap walk issues{+ personaly seen}........so ok then add aftermarket caps  400$ {2350 total} the machining 300${2650 total}....and a girdle  for  300${2950 total}......so now youve got way more into the thing as a aftermarket 4-bolt block  except now you don't have any of the benefits of all the extra rigidity  or the big 4.50 bore{+}   of a aftermarket block....here check these out


http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/blocks2.html

Supply your own core and you're at 1650, I have steel caps for 150, and I have to align bore the block anyhow, so the only additional charge that might apply is if we have to mill the caps for main register press and that's 50, so throw on a girdle and that's another 450.  Total of 2350 out the door. This isn't meant to compete against mega blocks or aluminum race blocks. It's just an alternative for those that want to build high hp stock blocks for appearance reasons, blueprint a block for a resto application, or build low deck applications.

no i hear ya  and don't get me wrong you definitely do a good job on bringing the old blocks back to life   

[ilabodyguy]

This has been a very interesting thread to follow. Is it a good deal... is it not a good deal... to me, anytime you can get exceptional quality, good service and a stone reliable product it IS a good deal. I think CRE is offering all of this and more. In a society where quality, workmanship, and customer service doesn't mean anything to 80% (yes, I'm a bit cynical) of the people doing business, I would gladly pay a bit more to be treated more like a customer and less like a consumer...

[Ciscodog]

And don't forget when you buy one of those aftermarket blocks you still have to have another $700-$1000 in machine work done, right?  None of them are ready to go when they hit your doorstep from what I've been told.

[NYrr496]

ok, you got me.. what is a antifreeze rib??

It's that external rib that runs between the two rear freeze plugs. The uninformed seem to think it's a high performance block. It's just a cold weather block. Nothing fancy. It does make the block APPEAR stronger.