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« on: March 07, 2008, 04:46:12 PM »

I have decided to do my own work on this car and broke down and bought me a sandblasting unit. It has 4 diffrent tips for diffrent media and all. I was wondering what I should use on my car. Here is what i want to do first.. Insde floorpans... I have rust in both front toe boards aand the drvers rear.. i want to clean all this upso I can see how far I need to go on cutting. I also plan on doing this to the rear lower passenger 1/4 as it will need to be replaced. After all of this  am planning on knocking off all the rust I can from the inner wheel wells, frame rails and then clean the engine compartment.

I was thinking of using glass beads but if there is something else I could use that is a little more outdoor friendly "I am planning on blowing the left over off into the back yard natural area afterwards" I would use it.

What do you recommend? Afer all of this is done I will rust bullet the pans, undercoat the bottom and spray the car in primer for now...

I need you expert opinions on what to use in the blaster and where to get it from. I know I can get the glass beads from my local machine shop...
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2008, 05:31:57 PM »

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Re: Sandblaster Users help please..
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 05:34:17 PM »

I use the black glass beads 50 LB bag from Lowes or Menards.
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Re: Sandblaster Users help please..
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 05:40:28 PM »

So I should not have any worry's with them on the ground and my dog walking on them? I know they are tiny...

Lowe's have them hmmm.. I need to go to lowes tonight...
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Re: Sandblaster Users help please..
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 06:13:08 PM »

Be carefull. I tried glass for about 3 minutes then switched to med. sand (Lowes). After 3 minutes I stepped back and almost busted my ass on those beads. They are little ball bearings and it's like walking on ice. There was another thread on this the other day. I'll find it and post it in a minute.

Here's one      http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php/topic,27267.0.html

Here's another     http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php/topic,27171.0.html
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 06:30:26 PM »

i just use 00 sand......but NEVER on the external skins

one thing to keep in mind, the stuff will get into every crevice of the car. if i couldnt turn a car upside down on the rotisarrie, it would be a bitch gettin it all out


 
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 07:42:38 PM »

I use a product called Amberblast. I get it at a local place called Metal Finishing Supply. Should be a similar place somewhere by you. The stuff is cheap and cuts very well. Not for use on exterior panels. It CAN warp sheet metal if you're not careful. Real glass bead is more expensive.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 02:17:34 AM »

I used glass bead on my engine bay and it took about two bags.Yes it is messy but the job it does is awesome.It dosen't take the steel just the rust and paint.It does'nt pit the steel like the other abrassives.Just my 0.02 cents.JEDS67


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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 08:55:29 AM »

i use #4 silica Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 09:17:28 AM »

If you are going to use sand, you should read this:

Silica
Silica is the second most common mineral on earth. It is found in sand, many rocks such as granite, sandstone, flint and slate, and in some coal and metallic ores. The cutting, breaking, crushing, drilling, grinding, or abrasive blasting of these materials may produce fine silica dust. It can also be in soil, mortar, plaster, and shingles. Silicosis is due to deposition of fine dust (less than 1 micrometre in diameter) containing crystalline silicon dioxide in the form of alpha-quartz, cristobalite, or tridymite.

The induction period between initial silica exposure and development of radiographically detectable nodular silicosis is usually 10 years. Shorter induction periods are associated with heavy exposures, and acute silicosis may develop within 6 months to 2 years following massive silica exposure.


Pathology
When small silica dust particles are inhaled, they can embed themselves deeply into the tiny alveolar sacs and ducts in the lungs, where oxygen and carbon dioxide gases are exchanged. There, the lungs cannot clear out the dust by mucous or coughing.

When fine particles of silica dust are deposited in the lungs, macrophages that ingest the dust particles will set off an inflammation response by releasing tumor necrosis factors, interleukin-1, leukotriene B4 and other cytokines. In turn, these stimulate fibroblasts to proliferate and produce collagen around the silica particle, thus resulting in fibrosis and the formation of the nodular lesions.

Furthermore, the surface of silicon dust can generate silicon-based radicals that lead to the production of hydroxyl and oxygen radicals, as well as hydrogen peroxide, which can inflict damage to the surrounding cells.

Characteristic lung tissue pathology in nodular silicosis consists of fibrotic nodules with concentric "onion-skinned" arrangement of collagen fibers, central hyalinization, and a cellular peripheral zone, with lightly birefringent particles seen under polarized light. In acute silicosis, microscopic pathology shows a periodic acid-Schiff positive alveolar exudate (alveolar lipoproteinosis) and a cellular infiltrate of the alveolar walls.


Prevalence
Silicosis is the most common occupational lung disease worldwide, it occurs everywhere but is especially common in developing countries.[2] From 1991 to 1995, China reported more than 24,000 deaths due to silicosis each year.[3] In the United States, it is estimated that over one million(two million[4]) workers are exposed to free crystalline silica dusts and 59,000 of these workers will develop silicosis sometime in the course of their lives.[3]

According to CDC data[5], silicosis in the United States is relatively rare. The incidence of deaths due to silicosis declined by 84% between 1968 and 1999, and only 187 1999 deaths had silicosis as the underlying or contributing cause.[6] Additionally, cases of silicosis in Michigan, New Jersey, and Ohio are highly correlated to industry[7] and occupation[8].

Although silicosis has been known for centuries, the industrialization of mining has led to an increase in silicosis cases. Pneumatic drilling in mines and less commonly, mining using explosives, would raise rock dust. In the United States, a 1930 epidemic of silicosis due to the construction of the Hawk's Nest Tunnel near Gauley Bridge, West Virginia caused the death of more than 400 workers. The prevalence of silicosis led some men to grow what is called a miner's mustache, in an attempt to intercept as much dust as possible.

There is some concern that a batch of cannabis contaminated with silica found in the UK may cause silicosis in some users. [9]

The amount of contaminated cannabis available has greatly increased after the UK governments crackdown on cannabis growers in 2006. As of 2008 far smaller particles of silica, as well as other chemicals, are being used to 'bulk' up the shipments which can only increase the risk to the health of users. [10]

Also, the mining establishment of Delamar Ghost Town, Nevada was ruined by a dry-mining process that produced a silicosis-causing dust. After hundreds of deaths from silicosis, the town was nicknamed The Widowmaker. The problem in those days was somewhat resolved with an addition to the drill which sprayed a mist of water, turning dust raised by drilling into mud, but this inhibited mining work.

Silicosis is an occupational hazard to mining, sandblasting, quarry, ceramics and foundry workers, as well as grinders, stonecutters and those continually exposed to silica dust.

Protective measures such as respirators have brought a steady decline in death rates due to silicosis in Western countries. Unfortunately, this is not true of less developed countries where work conditions are poor and respiratory equipment is seldom used. For instance, life expectancy for silver miners in Potosí, Bolivia is around 40 years due to silicosis.

Recently, silicosis in Turkish denim sandblasters was detected as a new cause of silicosis due to recurring, poor working conditions.

Silicosis is seen in horses associated with inspiration of dust from certain cristobalite-containing soils in California.


Symptoms
Because silicosis is progressive, signs of it may not appear until years after exposure.[3] Symptoms include:

Tachypnea or shortness of breath after physical exertion
Dry or severe cough, often persistent and accompanied by hoarseness of the throat
Fatigue or tiredness
Changes in breathing pattern (rapid breathing or shallow breathing)
Loss of appetite
Chest pain
Fever
Gradual dark shallow rifts in nails eventually leading to cracks
In advanced cases, the following may also occur:

Cyanosis
Cor pulmonale
Respiratory insufficiency
Patients with silicosis are particularly susceptible to tuberculosis (TB) infection—known as silicotuberculosis. The reason for the increased risk—10–30 fold increased incidence—is not well understood. It is thought that silica damages pulmonary macrophages, inhibiting their ability to kill mycobacteria.


Types of Silicosis
Classification of silicosis is made according to the disease's severity, onset, and rapidity of progression. These include:

Chronic silicosis
Occurs after 15–20 years of exposure to moderate to low levels of silica dust. Chronic silicosis itself is further subdivided into simple and complicated silicoses. This is the most common type of silicosis. Patients with this type of silicosis may not have obvious symptoms, so a chest X-ray is necessary to determine if there is lung damage.

Asymptomatic silicosis
Early cases of the disease do not present any symptoms

Accelerated silicosis
Silicosis that develops 5–10 years after high exposure to silica dust. Symptoms include severe shortness of breath, weakness, and weight loss.

Acute silicosis
Silicosis that develops a few months to 2 years after exposure to very high concentrations of silica dust. Symptoms of acute silicosis include severe disabling shortness of breath, weakness, and weight loss, often leading to death.


Diagnosis
Patient history should reveal exposure to silica dust due to occupation. Physical check up will reveal decreased chest expansion and abnormal breath sounds. Pulmonary function test will reveal reduced lung capacity.

Chest x-ray will confirm the presence of nodules in the lungs, especially in the upper lobes. Typically, it will also reveal eggshell calcification of the hilar lymph nodes. In rare cases, pulmonary nodules may also be calcified. In advanced cases of silicosis, coalescence of nodules may show up as large masses.

A computed tomography or CT scan can also provide a mode detailed analyses of the nodules, and can reveal cavitation due to concomitant mycobacterial infection.


Treatment
Silicosis is an irreversible condition with no cure. Treatment options currently focus on alleviating the symptoms and preventing complications. These include:

Stopping further exposure to silica and other lung irritants, including tobacco smoking.
Cough suppressants.
Antibiotics and antitubercular agents to prevent tuberculosis. These include isoniazid, rifampin, and pyrazinamide.
Chest physiotherapy to help the bronchial drainage of mucus.
Oxygen administration to avoid hypoxemia.
Bronchodilators to facilitate breathing.
Lung transplantation to replace the damaged lung tissue is the most effective treatment, but is associated with severe risks of its own.
Experimental treatments include:

Whole-lung lavage (see Bronchoalveolar lavage)
Inhalation of powdered aluminium, d-penicillamine and polyvinyl pyridine-N-oxide.
Corticosteroid therapy.
The herbal extract tetrandine may slow progression of silicosis

Prevention
The best way to prevent silicosis is to identify work-place activities that produce crystalline silica dust and then to eliminate or control the dust. Water spray is often used where dust emanates. Dust can also be controlled through dry air filtering.

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Re: Sandblaster Users help please..
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 09:39:38 AM »

i guess i dont have to worry about quitting smoking then Smiley Roll Eyes
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Re: Sandblaster Users help please..
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 09:56:41 AM »

I think I will stick with a fine glass bead..
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 09:57:42 AM »

 Undecided I might as well just drift out into the woods and have a hunting accident!

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 08:31:14 PM »

Soda is becoming more popular, eastwood now sells a $250 soda blasting kit.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2008, 08:55:50 PM »

Slim: Looks like you wont have far to go. Looks like the woods is right behind you and closing fast. "RUN SLIM, RUN "
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 09:19:31 PM »

Soda is becoming more popular, eastwood now sells a $250 soda blasting kit.
weve been using soda  for a loong time  the  real nice thing about it  is  it   rinseses off  nicely..
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 10:00:52 PM »

Anyone try dry ice? No residue. We use it in our restoration of soot on bricks.
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 08:04:48 AM »

Had my car media striped with plastic media, Did the out side, fenders, door hood and decklid [both sides] for $675.00. Then we primered it and put on a rottisseri and had them do the bottom and insde with aluminum oxide. $400.00. So for a little over a grand I got it done professionally and had no mess at the house. Th car was only gone for 6 days.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2008, 06:54:41 PM »

I used white play sand. It cheap and you can spread it in your yard and it will not harm anything.
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