Race Challenger

[chryco]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/01/exclusive-video-dodge-challenger-mopar-drag-package-cometh/

[GTS Cowboy]

Damn it! I didn't get to see much car...it would've been nice if there was some POA giving us all that info instead of ...him.

[Gospel Runner]

There is also no time slip.  Not even a look at the light at the end of the track. That was a total let down!!!

[hemicop]

 "Allpar.com" has more details on it. I saw the car at SEMA last year & at MATSin '06. with a stock 392 crate motor ran mid 11s with a leaf spring rear which ISN'T what the package will have. the latest issue of Mopar Action Magazine has a small article on it also. It took some doing but I got my name on the list for one , so we'll see if Mopar is really going to follow through.

[Jens69BB]

Meh, a cobra has 500hp....they need to step it up if its gonna be non-street legal.

[Adam]

Maybe without all that extra crap (interior, wipers, etc) it will be cheaper than a street challey, and I can order one, get a crooked mechanic to sign a safety inspection on it, get plates and tromp all the rice in the city!



(somebody pinch me please )

-Adam

[chryco]

Maybe without all that extra crap (interior, wipers, etc) it will be cheaper than a street challey, and I can order one, get a crooked mechanic to sign a safety inspection on it, get plates and tromp all the rice in the city!

 

(somebody pinch me please )

-Adam

Don`t count on that !!!!!!

[hemicop]

Meh, a cobra has 500hp....they need to step it up if its gonna be non-street legal.

Keep in mind they're building this for index- style racing for a specific class. At mid 11s with astock crate motor it's already faster than the 500hp Mustang. By the way Ford is building a drag-race only 'stang with its 4.6 engine. I'm preicting that by the time owners get ahold of their challengers & get the car & engine sorted out you'll see mid to low 10s from these cars, not unlike the performance from the '68 cars when they were being raced before the surge in technology hit them

[chryco]

Meh, a cobra has 500hp....they need to step it up if its gonna be non-street legal.

Keep in mind they're building this for index- style racing for a specific class. At mid 11s with astock crate motor it's already faster than the 500hp Mustang. By the way Ford is building a drag-race only 'stang with its 4.6 engine. I'm preicting that by the time owners get ahold of their challengers & get the car & engine sorted out you'll see mid to low 10s from these cars, not unlike the performance from the '68 cars when they were being raced before the surge in technology hit them

Exactly what he said in the vid clip.

[hemicop]

  The nice thing is that these cars have alot of the stuff already done, just like the old cars but generate the same hp in a smaller package. Given todays technology & racers creativity I can see NHRA getting upset over the cars just like in '68. I love it when someone 'stirs the pot". I don't see how lexan windows, lt, weight sheetmetal and other stuff can be construed as "stock" so you may see these things relegated to S/S or Super Modified, IMO in which case there's no reason not to drop in a 2nd Gen. Hemi & have fun. These things could actually open up a ton of classes for Mopar raceers.

[That One Guy]

not tryin to aggrivate here, but it really bothers me when people compare new vehicles to the '68's.
There is a huge difference between now and then, in '68 these cars were really fast, a 10 second car isn't that amazing any more.
If they want to impress me they'll do what Barton's doing and make a mid 9 second car that can be tuned to 9.0's.
We can build them, we have the technology

[That One Guy]

btw, Barton's makin his street legal too

[NYrr496]

Here's all the specs.

http://allpar.com/cars/dodge/super-stock-challenger.html

It runs 11.50 as is. My best guess is they're selling it as a starting point for the buyer to then heat up and go faster.

[That One Guy]

yeah, but I can build a car that runs 11.50's for about $2500, sorry, but I'm not that enthused about this car, yeah it's cool they're trying, but I'm just hard to get along with on this subject

[hemicop]

  You're right, an 11 sec. car could be built cheaper. But given the parameters that these things have to be built around, I don't think you could build a competitive Stock Elim. car for the 50k or so it'll realistically cost for these. Now if a person doesn't care about classes or anything like that than sure, most people could cobble something together. But without these types of cars the factories see no reason to support drag racing anymore. The old "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" attitude has been loooong gone so we have to settle for whatever support the factory gives.
And while the '68 cars are "THE" thing, remember they didn't pop-up overnight, they too needed alot of tweaking to be "race-ready" and be evry authorities estimation were & still are "freaks" in the auto manufacturing world.

[CudaSRT8]

If someone started with NOTHING, I seriously doubt you could build an 11.50 car for $2,500.   Even if you could, you'd have a piece of crap that runs 11.50 and could only bracket race with it.   Personally, I'd get no enjoyment out of bracket racing a piece of crap.   To each his own on that one. 

As for this Challenger, does anyone know how many they're going to build?   I haven't followed along with the latest NHRA rules, but years ago, production had to be over 500 (or somewhere around there) to run Stock Eliminator.   Under that quantity had to run Super Stock.   Either way, to buy a brand new, "over the counter", 11.50 Stock Eliminator car for $50K would be pretty phenomenal.   To buy the same for Super Stock would be even MORE phenomenal.  Stock Eliminator allows a LITTLE tweaking that would get that car down in the 10's.  Super Stock allows a LOT of tweaking that would get that car down into the 9's, easy. 

This car really impresses me.  Unfortunately, I'll bet they only build about 100 of them and with the greedy dealers involved, I'll bet it'll take 75G's to buy one...

[Jens69BB]

yeah, but I can build a car that runs 11.50's for about $2500, sorry, but I'm not that enthused about this car, yeah it's cool they're trying, but I'm just hard to get along with on this subject

 

I didn't have sound when I watched the clip so I did not hear anything about classes...it still seems like they could have stepped it up though, classes aside.  With the new technology and all the people they are paying to come up with a fast engine, I would just expect a lot more than mid 11's from a stripped car.  Any idea what that thing will weigh?

[hemicop]

If someone started with NOTHING, I seriously doubt you could build an 11.50 car for $2,500.   Even if you could, you'd have a piece of crap that runs 11.50 and could only bracket race with it.   Personally, I'd get no enjoyment out of bracket racing a piece of crap.   To each his own on that one. 

As for this Challenger, does anyone know how many they're going to build?   I haven't followed along with the latest NHRA rules, but years ago, production had to be over 500 (or somewhere around there) to run Stock Eliminator.   Under that quantity had to run Super Stock.   Either way, to buy a brand new, "over the counter", 11.50 Stock Eliminator car for $50K would be pretty phenomenal.   To buy the same for Super Stock would be even MORE phenomenal.  Stock Eliminator allows a LITTLE tweaking that would get that car down in the 10's.  Super Stock allows a LOT of tweaking that would get that car down into the 9's, easy. 

This car really impresses me.  Unfortunately, I'll bet they only build about 100 of them and with the greedy dealers involved, I'll bet it'll take 75G's to buy one...

NHRA requires 500 of the BODY STYLE to be produced for Stock class racing, so Mopar has that covered. The interesting twist is they now allow only 50 "Special run" cars to be built for Stock Eliminator also. The sad about about all this is alot of these cars will probably never see the ligth of day on a drag strip & if they do the rules now are so far from "stock" or even "super stock" that they really don't represent what is really being produced --- but that's another topic.

[Dono]

They take the 6.1 and punch it to 426 a nice square bore 4.08 X 4.08 stroke.  They are kinda dead at 11.50's but trust me you will see high 10's with the non street package.  Gears and stall converter and cage it will out run the LS1 the dips into the 10's with out a cage.

This benz trany is tuff as nails.

Don.

[hemicop]

 Remember the '68 cars weren't competitive in their class as they came from the factory either. I agree ---given a few months time & some work these things will dominate their class to the point ( I think) NHRA will have just as much problem with them as they did the '68 cars....