440 Build

[dare_dude]

Getting ready to build a 440 to run low 10'0s.  Not stroked! Tell me about yours or give suggestions? Car will be 68 dart weighs 2900 with me and small block, Dana 4:88 /727.  Dont want to break bank. But want something solid. I have a 71 block/crank. 

[68valiant68]

I have eagle rods and arias dome's 30 over if you need them?

[Steve DeTar]

What heads and what do they flow and which cam, gears, convertor and carb......??

[67Dart34dr0]

What heads and what do they flow and which cam, gears, convertor and carb......??

He gave gears and wants the rest.

[dusterdarryl]

     this will be interesting
 
    I will sit on the fence on this one & watch, after a few days I will add my combo and see how they stack up

[Womanator]

dare dude,how did you get your car down to 2900#?

First I thought you were going to keep the small block.

My Duster weighs 3400# with me in it.Here's the combo.

Stock bottom end 68 440,452's mild port work..Mopar .528 solid cam 1.5 rockers.Performer RPM intake,Holley 750 dp,Schumacher headers,3500 stall convertor,3.91 gears and 150 hp of nos.Car runs consistance 11.59 to .65's.With your lighter car you would need to maybe use 200 hp to get to the high 10's.Maybe get a set of forged pistons for pease of mind.




5.0 guy's have been doing this for years.

[dare_dude]

Womanator did think hard about small block but I'am tired of replacing head gaskets. Also think it will be easier with a BB to reach my goal. Would rather stay away from nos. Will use alcohol though.  Also that weight is because of fibergass hood F fenders deck lid interior lightened also plexiglass. What do guys Think?  Alum. Main caps,good H beam rods, good pistons 12.1, 650 cam (maybe comp roller) or solid Maddog headers. Now heads!  I really would like some SR's ported or b Eddies ported??? Still thinking on oil pan setup?? Thanks for your thoughts suggestions!

[Womanator]

The Duster is a spare parts car,The only items built for the car was the trans and the rearend.I'll get back later on the 10 sec engine in the 67 Dart.

[ksdartguy]

Womanator did think hard about small block but I'am tired of replacing head gaskets. Also think it will be easier with a BB to reach my goal. Would rather stay away from nos. Will use alcohol though.  Also that weight is because of fibergass hood F fenders deck lid interior lightened also plexiglass. What do guys Think?  Alum. Main caps,good H beam rods, good pistons 12.1, 650 cam (maybe comp roller) or solid Maddog headers. Now heads!  I really would like some SR's ported or b Eddies ported??? Still thinking on oil pan setup?? Thanks for your thoughts suggestions!

I say the bottom end looks good. Id Go with 440-1s though, the sr's will need more porting to get what you want.
And you want a solid roller, with 280-285d @ .050 and .700+ on the lift. 13.5-14 to 1 if you are running alchy.
A 1050 dominator and 2"  headers.
Easy 10s to high 9s well tuned.

[fasttcars]

Womanator did think hard about small block but I'am tired of replacing head gaskets. Also think it will be easier with a BB to reach my goal. Would rather stay away from nos. Will use alcohol though.  Also that weight is because of fibergass hood F fenders deck lid interior lightened also plexiglass. What do guys Think?  Alum. Main caps,good H beam rods, good pistons 12.1, 650 cam (maybe comp roller) or solid Maddog headers. Now heads!  I really would like some SR's ported or b Eddies ported??? Still thinking on oil pan setup?? Thanks for your thoughts suggestions!

I say the bottom end looks good. Id Go with 440-1s though, the sr's will need more porting to get what you want.
And you want a solid roller, with 280-285d @ .050 and .700+ on the lift. 13.5-14 to 1 if you are running alchy.
A 1050 dominator and 2"  headers.
Easy 10s to high 9s well tuned.

that's more of a mid low nine second combination behind only 2900lbs....pull back the duration about 20 degrees comp down a bit and the sr's with porting will work well with the smaller cubic inches 1050 and 2 inch will do the trick.....the last combo i built for a guy was basically just that but with only midly worked stage 6 heads 12.1 0.630 lift the rest what i said and at 3400lbs ran 10 flat at 137 mph the stage 6 need at lot of work to just flow what the sr's do stock{yes the 6's can work awesome with even more work done}...but with just some proper work to the sr's or victors will get you their no prob

[dusterdarryl]

ok here is mine,hopefully this will achive low 10s in my duster

440 out .040 448ci
eagle std stroke crank
eagle H beams with .990 pin
Ross pop ups with big dome
cam is an engle flat tappet with 585" 605"ex 258@50 & 265@50
hughes lifters
.080 push rods
pwr 1.6 rollers
eddy heads flow 315 with 75cc chambers, comp comes in at 12.8
M1 tunnel ram with twin 750v/s
hooker super comp 2" fender exits
msd ignition
mancini water pump
T/A 9" J converter
727 filled with T/A and coan parts
narrow, back braced 9" with floaters, 35 spline axles & 4,56 gears
holley volumax pump & 5 gallon cell
steel doors and factory side glass
weld wheels with 32x14 hoosiers
f/glass hood, bumpers
alloy trunk floor
custom alloy dash
& lexan front and rear screens
3000lb car

the goal is to footbrake a low 10 natral asp

[dusterdarryl]

  

[dare_dude]

Thinking strongly now about a stroker after seeing short block kits from Indy and MMotors?

[Womanator]

440 souce did a build with there roller cam and stock source headsand a 496 stroker kit.and got 685 hp.2nd build was the same build but with a solid cam made 580 hp,same stock heads.

[dusterdarryl]

I thought some one would have made a power or et estimation on my 440 build above, any one got any ideas?

[oldkimmer]

I thought some one would have made a power or et estimation on my 440 build above, any one got any ideas?

............................That should run 10.50s easily..............575 hp ...555 tq...................kim...........

[dusterdarryl]

footbake a mid 10!!    I reckon Id have to be pretty happy with that ,

[speeder440]

ok here is mine,hopefully this will achive low 10s in my duster

440 out .040 448ci
eagle std stroke crank
eagle H beams with .990 pin
Ross pop ups with big dome
cam is an engle flat tappet with 585" 605"ex 258@50 & 265@50
hughes lifters
.080 push rods
pwr 1.6 rollers
eddy heads flow 320 with 75cc chambers, comp comes in at 12.8
M1 tunnel ram with twin 750s
hooker super comp 2" fender exits
msd ignition
mancini water pump
T/A J converter
727 filled with T/A and coan parts
narrow, back braced 9" with floaters, 35 spline axles & 4,56 gears
holley volumax pump & 5 gallon cell
weld wheels with 32x14 hoosiers
f/glass hood, bumpers
alloy trunk floor
& lexan front and rear screens
3000lb car

the goal is to footbrake a low 10 natral asp

I would like to see 2- 600 holley or one 850DPer and 10"x30"tires on your set up,it won't spin with the front tires off the ground them big tires will kill ya.

[moparmat68]

too bad we dont have any big block stock class racers on this site.

[speeder440]

too bad we dont have any big block stock class racers on this site.

You are so right,next tires I put on the Kidd will be 9" even with the torque the 512 has I think with 457 gears 9x30s will work sub 1.40 short times.

[chryco]

 

[chryco]

 

[chryco]

 

[speeder440]

I like them books I think its from June of 1982 good thing 440Source wasn't arould back then they would have rewrote it.

[chryco]

I like them books I think its from June of 1982 good thing 440Source wasn't around back then they would have rewrote it.

!
So how have 9.90`s / horsepower changed since then ?
   

The guy who wrote that "old" stuff was behind these guy`s http://www.bigblockdart.com/index.php/topic,36344.0.html
  They seemed to do fairly well ?

[speeder440]

  It just seem to get 9.90s is easyer these days,a 9.90 car back then well run 8.6-s today the horse power is the same to get the 9.90s I guess.I don't think you have to have 14"x33" to get 9.90s like the AA/SS cars back then.

[chryco]

It just seem to get 9.90s is easyer these days,a 9.90 car back then well run 8.6-s today the horse power is the same to get the 9.90s I guess.I don't think you have to have 14"x33" to get 9.90s like the AA/SS cars back then.

That would be correct, the parts selection wasn`t there . Can you even imagine what kind of looks you`d get asking for aluminum heads for a small block or big block Mopar
  You do however require the basics to get that 8.60 though , and they haven`t changed much. Oh yeah , check the tires on a few SS/AA cars I think you`ll find they`re still around that size , and then some .
     

[440 ValiantCharger]

I remember reading a magizine back in 1987, the 440 build was called shake and bake. They used the Mech. - 324 / 324 Duration - 620 / 620 mopar cam with the triple beehive valve springs. Tunnel ram with 2 x 850 DP to get 9.90 1/4 mile.

That DC Pro Gas Bracket Test looks very similar, just 5 yrs earlier.

[chryco]

Here you go !

[chryco]

hey chryco i'd like to read those last three articles but their just all blurry for me

Comin' up !