Small block remote oil filter question

[tubtar]

Have any of you'se ran w/ a remote oil filter system ?  Recommendations ?   Looking at pics of the early "A" header install......same tubes on my car , but I don't have a 90 degree filter mounting.....I see much pain and suffering for a simple oil change.
Is there a kit that works .   The ones I have used in the past recommend no more than 36" hoses , and mounting a remote filter housing with short hoses doesn't look too promising under the hood of a '65 dart.
Thanks in advance.
                                        J.S.

[Jim_Lusk]

Consider the idea of removing part of the inner fenderwell and mounting the filter there, or just remove enough to get the hoses there. Make sure there is still tire clearance where you mount it.

[64ragtop]

The two different filter relocation kits I've made somewhat serious inquiries about (from Summit and NAPA) both feature 30 inch hoses.  I haven't checked to see just where that would locate the filter, but the guy at my local NAPA store said he could make hoses any length I want.  I kinda like Jim's idea, if I understood correctly - the filter winds up in the front wheelwell, ahead of the tire???  Should be super easy to get at!  I'd just been ASSuming the filter should be in the engine compartment - like maybe on the radiator support.

[tubtar]

The two times I have done this , I had the luxury of mounting the filters on the inside of the frame rail ...ahead of the engine.
With headers and the location of the filter boss on this car , it will require a bit more thought.
I will look into inside the wheel well , it seems to show the most promise.
I know that there are hose length considerations and I know that you need to avoid restrictive fittings and elbows etc. when plumbing.
I was hoping some one had done this before and could post a pic.  But it will be done......I just need to figure out how.
                                                           J.S.

[Jim13]

I put mine on the frame rail between my front bumper and my front passenger tire.  Almost underneath where the catch can would go. 

I got sick of it making a mess on my headers when I changed it.

[Jim_Lusk]

64, since it is a small block I was talking about behind the tire mounted to the firewall. That would allow for the use of the shorter hoses.

[62valiant452]

Back in the day when I had a small block in my 62'  I used a remote filter adapter on the side of the engine with a 2" and 3" pipe comming out strait with a 90deg fitting on each pipe.  ram my hoses over to the inner fender well and into a remote filter mounted to the fender on the inside.  worked well with push-loc hose.  Heck,I think I still have the whole setup floating around here somewhere. 

[cavemanmoron]

 Factory 90 degree adaptor if you have a left hand drive version.

 Make sure you get all the parts tho.

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[tubtar]

I posted this in another thread......here is the finished product.  factory 90 degree mount , Transdapt remote filter kit , fabbed a bracket and bought some fittings and stainless braided. We're good to go.
                                                       J.S.

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[cavemanmoron]

is your car right hand drive?

 You in Aussie/OZ/ New Zeland/??

I see a vacum controlled water valve, does your car have factory a/c??

[tubtar]

Standard Yank left hand drive. I am in Minnesota , U.S.A.  It does have factory a.c. , but no compressor.
I will see if it is an option to get it re-installed in the future , but I don't know if it will be practical with the motor I am planning on.  Air would be nice , but is at the back of the list of priorities at this point.
                                                            J.S.

[LEADFOOT]

Nice Job Tubtar ! I like your fabrication.  That ole '65 is lookin good..........no stoppin you now!


                                                                 

[bbscamp]

Is the 90 degree adapter necessary with stock manifolds?  or only headers? 
Mike

[tubtar]

I am nowhere near the last word on these things , but I think you could do the remote filters with out the 90 degree adapter.
As for it's use with headers , I think it is mandatory and still a sonofabitch to change filters.
I will be paying more attention to under hood areas in the future , because I am really green with what you can and cannot do on these cars.
                                                        J.S.

[64ragtop]

Tubtar, I really like the overall look of your installatio, but what are the TWO filters for?  At first I thought "OIL and TRANS filters", but
there's only the one pair of hoses.  I'm big on phrases like "No kill like OVERKILL!!!  I think I would trade a filter for an overflow container, though.  The factory 90 degree adaptors Lee mentioned have little appeal for me after reading several threads of problems
with gaskets and with getting the gaskets in the first place.  And on top of that, unless the filter hangs fairly straight down, a filter
change is still gonna be an oily mess without a lift and elevated catch equipment.  The remote filter mount lets the filter hang down
for less spillage at filter change time.  the big block engines filters stick straight out, but in front of and below practically everything and i
have no problem with major spillage.  What I'd really like to see is a non messy filter change for a slant six in the factory position!!!
(what were they thinking?)

[Mark Nixon]

I guess I see very little benefit of this hokey-looking set-up.
If I'm to read it correctly, it's all about a little oil spillage and not wanting to get dirty??
Oh my, we can't do that while working on a car!!!

I can see benefits from a dry sump/external oiling standpoint, but not much advantage in a street usage.
Looks like  you're inviting MORE leaks to me.

Just run the 90 degree stock adaptor and be done with it.

Mark.

[64ragtop]

I guess I see very little benefit of this hokey-looking set-up.
If I'm to read it correctly, it's all about a little oil spillage and not wanting to get dirty??
Oh my, we can't do that while working on a car!!!

I can see benefits from a dry sump/external oiling standpoint, but not much advantage in a street usage.
Looks like  you're inviting MORE leaks to me.

Just run the 90 degree stock adaptor and be done with it.

Mark.

Mark, Your opinion is noted.  However, dear sir, YOU should note opinions are like rectal orfices!
They are all different, & they all stink except MINE!
For the record, I don't mind getting dirty, greasy, oily, etc, etc.  I do mind trying to keep
from spilling the better part of a quart of used oil all over the side of my engine and my driveway.
If you can change my filters better, faster, and/or with less spillage, come on over
and show me how a true master does it.

[cavemanmoron]

 Hmm, with the 90 degree adaptor, i admit, if I forget to put a shop towel on the
top of the exhaust pipe, I do spill a little on the pipe;
when changing the Long filter.

 I have a small plastic pan, that I slide under the pass side, before jacking the car up,
i reach in and remove the filter from above.

 I am 6 foot tall, so maybe I can reach the filter easier;
 but also have a fat belly,Laugh out Loud.

 I rarely spill oil on the ground, but normally there is a poormans creeper under the car,
and the old cardboard box that my hot water heater came in, absorbs a lot of oil.


 Fat me, making the suspension groan. Haha


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[Jim13]

I personally like my set up.  I have to get down on one knee and reach inbetween the fenderwell and the bumper.  It's as easy as that.  It's especially nice with changing the oil as frequently as you do if you race the car.

No jacking it up, no mess on the headers, no extra rags, carboard or plastic baggies, and I can do it even if the car is hot.  

[Mark Nixon]

They are all different, & they all stink except MINE!

Mine stinks like mints and tastes like vanillia ice cream, none better than mine!

..I do mind trying to keep from spilling the better part of a quart of used oil all over the side of my engine and my driveway.
If you can change my filters better, faster, and/or with less spillage, come on over
and show me how a true master does it.

It's not Rocket Science, use rags and a piece of cardboard, like has already been suggested.

More sage advice from "The True Master". 

Mark.

[bbscamp]

I'm not sure I got an answer....so I'll ask again.   With a 318 and stock manifolds...is an adapter needed?   or is it only for headers?  thanks

[64ragtop]

I'm not sure I got an answer....so I'll ask again.   With a 318 and stock manifolds...is an adapter needed?   or is it only for headers?  thanks

Sorry, bbscamp, guess you got lost in the noise.  I am not aware of any need for the 90 degree adaptor with factory manifolds.
Just out of idle curiosity, does anyone know what the factory application was for the adaptor?

[tubtar]

I guess I see very little benefit of this hokey-looking set-up.
If I'm to read it correctly, it's all about a little oil spillage and not wanting to get dirty??
Oh my, we can't do that while working on a car!!!



Mark.

Perhaps you missed the part about having to remove the passenger side header to take off the oil filter.
Reading is fundamental !
I didn't do it for looks , but it does have a certain visual appeal from a high performance standpoint......then there is the doubling of filter surface area to consider , the increased oil volume to prevent sucking the pan dry during sustained high r.p.m. operation and finally , cooler oil temperature from additional oil capacity.
One man's hokey is another man's well thought out lubrication system.
And opinions are like ........well , we've already been over that one.
                                                                    J.S.

[cavemanmoron]

I'm not sure I got an answer....so I'll ask again.   With a 318 and stock manifolds...is an adapter needed?   or is it only for headers?  thanks

Sorry, bbscamp, guess you got lost in the noise.  I am not aware of any need for the 90 degree adaptor with factory manifolds.
Just out of idle curiosity, does anyone know what the factory application was for the adaptor?

 My 1964 Valiant, factory 273 engine came with the 90 degree adaptor.

 If you can't find one on ebay, they are available New,
from Mopar performance.

 I think the idea was, to be able to use a standard filter,
rather than a shorty, in the early Abody, the removal of the filter would be
easier with the adapter.

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