The cam is finally out of 67Dart383 engine. AKA 383Kidd

[67Dart383]

That sounds good, it will have a rumpity rump sound to it. I am also glad you are getting a 3,000 stall. It will work with your cam. I hope you are getting their matching springs, cause you know you can't use yours. What heads are on your motor? I forgot.

They are 906 heads. 

[67Dart383]

How do the cam lobes get oil on them when the engine is running.  also when you first start the engiine up should all the lifter be spinning in the lifter bore?

[bentwheel43]

How do the cam lobes get oil on them when the engine is running.  also when you first start the engiine up should all the lifter be spinning in the lifter bore?

one of your wasn't

[Steve DeTar]

Yes they should spin.  It it were me and had the shortblock all ready built, I'de bolt the head back on with the valve train installed, without the intake on and valley tray, With a sharpie, mark each lifter at the 12 oclock position.  Now install your convertor in your tranny and bolt it up and hook up those peskey torque convertor bolts and install your starter.  Hook up a  battery to the starter,,,,all this is done on the shop floor.  Dont install the plugs.  With a a big screw driver or grab the solenoid lead, hit the + side of the battery, you motor should start spinning.  Now look at the lifters.  Are they at the 12 oclock position?  If they don't loosen the shafts and get to see it the lifter bore has any burrs in the lifter hole.  You can do this, it just takes time and cost no money.  While you are at it, put 2 quarts of dextron in the convertor before you bolt it on.  also put 5 quarts into the lifter valley.  Make sure you have a oil filter on.  The lifter must spin so crank it over with the battery 10 times.  Besides it cool to watch.  Just do it right this time, ok buddy?

[67Dart383]

SO what made it not spin after all?   I just trying to get a better understanding of how the valve train works and hw it gets its oil.  We can leave my engine out of it , just talk about a general engine.   How do the cam lobes get its oil supply?

[Steve DeTar]

Splash oil from the connecting rods.  There also could be a burr in the lifter bore.   Thats something you got to check.  When you first start it up,  go immediately to 3,000 rpm for 20 minutes. varying the speed between 2,000 to 3,000.  It's going to take some time.  Do you have an adjustable valve train?

[67Dart383]

Splash oil from the connecting rods. There also could be a burr in the lifter bore. Thats something you got to check. When you first start it up, go immediately to 3,000 rpm for 20 minutes. varying the speed between 2,000 to 3,000. It's going to take some time. Do you have an adjustable valve train?

No we don't have any adjustable rocker arms.

Plus we never took the heads off.

[Steve DeTar]

I beleive you are going to need adjustable rockers to set your preload properly.

[67Dart383]

I kind of figured we were going to have to tell if the lifter pre-load is in within specs.   

[dusterdarryl]

its a full rebuild now "kidd" that poor motor has metal filing all thru it, changing the oil & filter wont clean it, filings will be in the ring lands & the rocker shafts etc etc, to rebuild now will be far cheaper than waiting till it eats itself up from the inside out

[bOb shingler]

   with darryl

[67Dart383]

We do not want to rebuild a 383 they just don't make the hp and tq.  We all ready have a plan if the motor goes.  We are going to buy a brand new engine and be done with it.  It is going to be one of those 360 stroker assembled kits to 408 or 412. That has been our dream engine ever since we bought a 2000 Dodge Dakota R/t with the 360, but it was wrecked in the front but the motor was kind of locked up and we couldnt get it to run. We were going to make that our race vehicle slash street vehicle. 

PLus we would rather save our money and get something we want.   We can always sell the intake manifold if the engine goes and probably something else.

[allblknblue]

We do not want to rebuild a 383 they just don't make the hp and tq.  We all ready have a plan if the motor goes.  We are going to buy a brand new engine and be done with it.  It is going to be one of those 360 stroker assembled kits to 408 or 412. That has been our dream engine ever since we bought a 2000 Dodge Dakota R/t with the 360, but it was wrecked in the front but the motor was kind of locked up and we couldnt get it to run. We were going to make that our race vehicle slash street vehicle. 

PLus we would rather save our money and get something we want.   We can always sell the intake manifold if the engine goes and probably something else.

So why are you wasting your money on this motor?   Why don't you just buy the new one?? I mean, you're buying a new cam, new lifters, and who knows what else for it.  You could sell the whole motor right now and use the money towards the new motor. 

[bentwheel43]

We do not want to rebuild a 383 they just don't make the hp and tq.  We all ready have a plan if the motor goes.  We are going to buy a brand new engine and be done with it.  It is going to be one of those 360 stroker assembled kits to 408 or 412. That has been our dream engine ever since we bought a 2000 Dodge Dakota R/t with the 360, but it was wrecked in the front but the motor was kind of locked up and we couldnt get it to run. We were going to make that our race vehicle slash street vehicle. 

PLus we would rather save our money and get something we want.   We can always sell the intake manifold if the engine goes and probably something else.

So why are you wasting your money on this motor?   Why don't you just buy the new one?? I mean, you're buying a new cam, new lifters, and who knows what else for it.  You could sell the whole motor right now and use the money towards the new motor. 

because hes just being silly, hes a silly 16 year old boy( hes stroking alright).  he needs to find an old 68' or 69' 440 thats running and put a small cam under .500" so he can use stock rockers,because if he didn't know that the lifters was spinning he will not know how to set the lash,hes not going to change those valve spring and back in the same boat        I see it coming      maybe Steve Detar can tell him better     but I think Steve tryed       If Detar tell me something iam going to do it.          and Steve we brought one of Gene Snow's old TF RED from Texas panhandle, I think it was a 1983 I have a picture its the section8 dragster.

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[ksdartguy]

Maybe he is a kid, but so was I when I stuck an erson cam in my first car. 71- 340 Duster
I didnt even change lifters, and it ran great.

OK, before you put all the valve gear on, as you install the lifters, spin them with your fingers.
especially the one in the hole that was eatten up. If it spins free, use ample assembly lube on lobes and
lifters.

If you arent changing springs, youve got to pull 1 to see where your pressures are,(110-120 on the seat) and that you
have clearance.(retainer to guide).

If that all checks, put it together and see how far down your lifter plungers go down, on valves that
you know are closed. Mopar and others (Mancini,etc.) sell shims to raise the rocker shafts and reduce
lifter preload.

Fire it up, run 20-30min. @ 2000-3000. Shut it down and drain oil and change filter.Refill with rotella
or valveoline. something with good antiscuff additives.
Id drive it alittle and change it again. Then run It and dont worry again.

Rick

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[Steve DeTar]

Bentwheel43, thank you for kind words.  I wish you luck with Gene's old car.  I am more intersted in what you are doing with it.. Where can I see this car?

[bentwheel43]

Bentwheel43, thank you for kind words.  I wish you luck with Gene's old car.  I am more intersted in what you are doing with it.. Where can I see this car?

We put a 406 chev in it for last year,good are 5.30s in the 1/8,and the wing in the back had to be lowered about 2 foot just to get it in the trailer.    it don't need the wing to do what I need but it looks good           now we building a 421 chev with 18* heads with Hilburn FI              I talked to Hensley when I bought some parts for the Duster they said, " we can build you a mean small brock mopar for that dragster"     I bet they can      I need one of those SS-Hemi they have for that suxer and 389gears           I will try to get some better pictures it even has wings in the front going from the center to the wheels, very rare

[dusterdarryl]

kidd,   I can tell you right here & now that a 383 will make more power & torque for you $ than a smal block stroked or not ever will. that the bottom line. go & buy an engine book on BB MoPars,

[allblknblue]

  Not to mention you can build a BB with all new parts and more HP  yourself than paying for a crate.

[guzzimike]

Our  Dart's 383 with a 280/.459 / 108 lobe sep Hydr cam  feels pretty torquey to me... 

[bentwheel43]

Our  Dart's 383 with a 280/.459 / 108 lobe sep Hydr cam  feels pretty torquey to me... 

    yeah!

[allblknblue]

[b][/b]Well i'm tired of being nice to you when ever you critisize me SteveDeTar. We have been reading magazine from magazine about Mopars. A stock 360 make as much HP and TQ as a stock 383. [/size][size=10pt]MAN.  Fine then the next time I post will be after college.  When I will have the money and my dad will have the money we are going to build a monster mopar that you can drive anywhere and run 10's all day long.  ITs going to be on like a pot of neck bones.      BYE BYE See you all in the future.




On last note  for everything I mean it.

Yikes, well that ended on a sour note.  Kidd, you'll be back way before then.  It will only take you a year or two to realize why we get so frustrated with you sometimes.  I would have been the EXACT same way as you 3 years ago.  I just hope it doesn't take you too long to come back; we all love you, it's just tough love. 

[PinkE]

 ...Well Kid, you just blew it....You had the best Mentor in the world of Mopars in Steve DeTar, and you just wouldn't listen, would ya?  You have argued with everything everyone has tried to tell you.  You didn't take anything that was explained to you by people that have been building engines since before you were just a glimmer in your daddy's eye and use it, did ya?  I stuck up for you when everyone was coming down hard on you, and now I'm sorry I did that.  Lots of luck Kiddo...We've got a girl here that has more knowlege than you will ever have about cars, WHY? because she reads stuff on her engine build, and she LISTENS to what experienced people here tell her.  I am VERY dissapointed in your attitude...Your way of thinking is just one big.... ... ...

[Crazy68Dart]

I have been reading every post from him.  Absolutely amazing I tell you.  Come ask for help, then tell everyone how their answers are wrong... Some people have to learn the hard way.  He'll find out soon enough when that motor filled with a few cam lobes takes a bearing for a ride and windows the block...   

[my64dart]

Hi Everyone,
     I think the kid is just very frustrated. He wants to go racing & the motor is broken. 16 year olds don't have patients like older people do. Give him a while & he'll be back to himself. At least he's trying to learn something usefull. Most of the kids now a days don't wanna do anything except chat online or on the damn cell phone. I wish more kids would take up racing cars & working on then. My hot rods kept me broke, but out of trouble. And gave me a life long hobby.
     Jim

[ksdartguy]

How true Jim,
I remeber my 71-340 duster (1st car).
I lived to work on that car, Dad didnt think I needed to though.
I told him I was doing the timing chain when I slipped in that erson cam.
I didnt even change or check anything, (not even lifters) but the thing worked fine.
I went on to rebuild the whole motor later,the 727, added a 6pak, 391 gears.
It was a lot of fun and a great learning experience. It did keep me out of trouble,
and I still like working on them today.
I hope the kid hangs in there and gets it running again. I would, heck Id be out there every spare minute,
when I was his age. And be asking this bunch questions too.
Rick

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[Steve DeTar]

What is you compression ratio now since you have better heads?  It's been along time, is this a zero deck motor?  Let me know,  Steve

[speeder440]

What is you compression ratio now since you have better heads?  It's been along time, is this a zero deck motor?  Let me know,  Steve

Hey Steve,thats not the same engine,they bought another 383 I can't remember where, I beleave it was somewheres up by you. Bill said it was going to be bad ass the week before they got it,it would be if it had a 5500stall with 456gear and take and air shocks off but they missed again. If they would make these 3 changes they could be 11.40s or better with better tires.  But for what it is it runs good.---Speeder