Relocate springs without cutting frame ?

[BIG DOG]

Is there away to rlocate the springs without cutting the frame? I thought that awhile back there was someone who posted that they had done it and it was very simple .If so whats the process?

[mopartranman]

I do it without using the mopar kit. Never liked cutting on the frame. I make my own brackets and put them inside the frame.  Dont have any pics right now but will try to take some by next weekend. PM me and remind me if i dont. Mel

[Ciscodog]

I bought a kit for my Satellite years ago from ABC Welding somewhere in northern Idaho.  They had an ad in the back of one of the mags.  It just uses some beefy angle steel to make an L bracket and the front spring hanger bracket welds to it (or bolts).  All you're doing is swapping the springs from the outside of the frame rail to the inside of the frame rail.  The rear brackets were a bit more detailed but simple nonetheless.  I have no pics but if it's something you want to do I could draw something up for you.  Of course I can't say much about how well it worked, since the car was destroyed 3 days after I finished it.  Don't get me started on that.

[70 Dustpan]

Get with of Dave A.K.A. Midnight Special He uses the ABC kit and was at one time trying to sell them. He my still have some.

[Brad4406]

If I get over to my buddies house today, I'll get some pictures of how he put his inside and then post them here tonight.

Brad

[440Dreamin]

Fellas, i have a set of springs in the shed with the very thing you are talking about on them... they look homemade, but strong, i'll take a pic and email to anyone who wants to see it... jtanem@unaclad.com
joel

[AAOUTLAW]

Yeah, you can do it...it's pretty simple actually

[rharveysr]

Doesnt the kit from Summit racing to the same thing???   I have a friend that used it on his 69 Dart and he said that it work great and for approx $130.

Rick

[Sublime69™]

ya i would like to see some pictures   

[Midnight Special]

PLEASE TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT (Opening an old wound )YEAP--about two + years ago there was a susposed "demand" for the kit that ABC once produced(ABC Went under and no longer exists) that I had blue printed,(in order to make and upgrade the patient)  signed a contract, applied for an improvement patient application, paid attorney fees and had to up front 2000.00 for a production run of 40 kits, with the option for the sub-frame connecters also be the option to build.  We had over 140 "I'll take a set" orders, so I went ahead to order and place down my own UPFRONT 2K for the first 20 sets.  When they were completed, I sent emails to every person that "honestly" committed to a set and out of 68 some ....

I received ONE--THATS ONE money order for one set from those "HONESTLY COMMITTED" orders.  The balance of those "I'll take a set orders" must have been abducted by them UFO or Aliens from outer space, cause after repeated emails and postings, they all disappeared and never responded or followed through with the order.  Talk about a 2000.00 bad taste in ones mouth.  With having that said, the 20 I had on hand, most of those were sold at swap meets for 1/2 or less than I hav invested or at various Mopar shows that we went to here in Kansas/Oklahoma/Missouri.  I only have the Origional Prototype (1st set) left with the blueprint and patient application(since ABC owned the origional patient and our blueprint and remake improved upon the origional design and we couldn't "legally" make them without buying the patient from them and of course they went defunct and couldnt produce them off their design)  Nonetheless, they are fairly simple to make.  maybe try and make a set yourself.

They move the spring inboard the frame rails and uses the existing frame.(The kit MP offers is a cut into the frame and weld smaller thickness metal into its spot)  The basic design was to use a 3/16 thick Box with the top vut off(Width actually slides over existing frame).  It then angles off to a 45* with a 1"dia tube filled with solid urthane bushing for the spring perch to rebolt too.  The front was remounted off the attachment point of the frame.  Took about 30 min to weld each side if your a shadetree welder like me and about 30 min to attach the front point.  In about 2-4 hrs, you can safely and 100% stronger support than the MP One.  I can offer you photos when its warmer outside from the existing set as they are mounted on the my Duster(since they are ABC origionals). 

I don't ever plan to go in the hole 2K ever again on a project of building something on the word of others with out the greenbacks right up front.  As it stands I ATE about 3K over the spring relocation kits.  Sorry guys, I'll offer photos of the set on my Duster, but thats the best I can legally do.

Get with of Dave A.K.A. Midnight Special He uses the ABC kit and was at one time trying to sell them. He my still have some.

[70 Dustpan]

Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to open any old wounds there.

[Midnight Special]

Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to open any old wounds there.

Not a problem..but thanks.  I'd be glad to send ya pictures and drawings if that will help ya.

[vancamp]

I would be interested if this would work on a 66 B body???

[440Dreamin]

Sorry Dave - that sucks man

to those who want a pic of what i have and haven't got an email this am, send me an email address @ jtanem@unaclad.com and i'll send you some humble shots...

joel

[mopartranman]

I would be interested if this would work on a 66 B body???

  Yes.... I did it on a 66 coronet. We may be getting it out of the trailer this weekend to install a engine, Will take some pics of it.  Mel

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[Midnight Special]

Did everyone that PM me for photos of what look like get them?  If not let me also know.

[mopartranman]

Not the best pics...  Here's some pics of a 66 coronet i did. Pic 1 is pass side just outside frame where the front hanger was bolted up.The plate cover the holes. pic 2 is pass side inside the frame. pic 3 is the driver side rear hanger inside the frame rail. I do the rear different on a-bodys. Mel       

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[vancamp]

I am guessing the car had a fuel cell in the trunk.

[mopartranman]

Yep, 8 gallon aluminum cell. 

I am guessing the car had a fuel cell in the trunk.

[Midnight Special]

I'll get the pics of the ABC style posted this week...

[Mopower71]

What happened to the pictures?
I would like to see what these look like.
Thanks

[rharveysr]

Still havent seen the pictures....   Another item that would have to be addressed by doing the springs this way would be another fuel tank.

Rick

[demon]

I do it without using the mopar kit. Never liked cutting on the frame. I make my own brackets and put them inside the frame.  Dont have any pics right now but will try to take some by next weekend. PM me and remind me if i dont. Mel

In Sugar Grove, NC- Working on '72 Demon "Rachel" don't want to cut her up very interested in Mel's methods.  Please respond to micksmith3231@charter.net if willing to share the information.  Thanks, Mick

[demon]

  I would appreciate suggestions , diagrams, pictures concerning moving springs in without cutting the frame on a 72 Ddge Demon.  Many thanks, Mike Smith      lwiley.smith@charter.net   

[512Stroker]

Yes, please... anyone that can help with this it would be greatly appreciated

[abqdart]

Man I remember you talking about that....sorry that happened.

[mike67net]

Mopartranman, would you mind sending info from relocating your 66.  My e-mail is:  my67mopar@adelphia.net

Thanks in advance,
Mike

[rharveysr]

ok...its time to relocate the springs on my son's 68 Dart..I really wasnt looking forward to cutting the frame either...Here is my email address if someone could send that information my way..

info@thedieselbunch.com

Thanks
Rick and Rickey Jr.

[70swingergt]

Why isn't Mopar Performance, Schumacher, JC Whitney, Bouchillon Performance, US Car Tool, etc., etc. jumping all over the opportunity to re-pop these frame brackets?!?!  Seems to be PLENTY of interested parties that would buy them (I'd buy two sets), especially considering all that is required is drilling some holes (welding optional).

Even if the price was $200 per set, I'd rather spend that rather than cut my frame rail!  ...but you can't decide later you don't like it and swap it back to the way it was previously.

For only $2K, it would be worth putting up the cash and then I'd eBay every set!  Forget about having to go back and forth via email where ppl want to see pictures, get more pictures and spend hours on the phone...if ppl want the item let them Buy It Now.  Plain and Simple.  The product will promote itself via word of mouth as ppl begin using it.

Jim

[rharveysr]

Someone get me the drawing....and I will make them or have them made out of my pocket...All I need is take orders and build them..

Rick