Another 65' Dart Big Block Oil Pan Question

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Discussion Starter · May 11, 2022

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I have read several discussions on here about the linkage rubbing the oil pan I want to see if this is where other people had the problem. I just pulled the motor out of my Big Block 65' dart and you can see where its pounded out on the pan I have and where it's hitting the linkage. I just wanted to see if anyone can tell me if this is where their linkage was rubbing and what oil pan may work? Or at least an oil pan with a shallower tail end on it that might require less pounding out. Or a pan to start with to have someone notch it out and fabricate one

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Capt_Jack

· #2 · May 11, 2022

here's a link to a copy of our old Technical Pages from years back. this in particular is regarding steering linkages and the like for later e-bodies like 68 and up. not really specific to your case, but there is some info there that could help regarding the centerlink and idler.

we dont get to see a lot of early A's with big blocks in them. we'd love to hear more about your car.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · May 11, 2022

Capt_Jack said:
here's a link to a copy of our old Technical Pages from years back. this in particular is regarding steering linkages and the like for later e-bodies like 68 and up. not really specific to your case, but there is some info there that could help regarding the centerlink and idler.

we dont get to see a lot of early A's with big blocks in them. we'd love to hear more about your car.

Thanks Capt_Jack I will check it out. I have been a lurker for a long time I would love to share my progress on the car. Its tricky not sure if I would have a big block in it if I didn't buy it with the work already done. LOL

Capt_Jack

· #4 · May 11, 2022

in the interest of full disclosure...yeah, I bought mine already together as well. have learned a lot since then

abodyjoe

· #5 · May 13, 2022

is that a 6 cyl center link on that car? doesn't look to drop as far as s V8 center link. could be the angle of the picture.

what are you using for mounts? maybe the motor has to sit a little higher. ?

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Discussion Starter · #6 · May 13, 2022

abodyjoe said:
is that a 6 cyl center link on that car? doesn't look to drop as far as s V8 center link. could be the angle of the picture.

what are you using for mounts? maybe the motor has to sit a little higher. ?

Well I'm going to be honest I'm kind of learning all over again its been 25 years since I had my last hotrod and I'm still learning about this car as I bought it with the big block conversion. I will run the vin number and get a straight on shot if I can of the center link and the motor mounts. Thank you so much for the input Joe!

abodyjoe

· #7 · May 13, 2022 (Edited)

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here ya go for a reference. this is a V8 centerlink for an early abody. see how much it drops. looking at your pics on my desktop instead of my phone it looks like you may have the V8 one.. i'd like to see the motor mounts. when i did my 64 valiant with a 440 init i used an off the shelf chrome transdapt oil pan and it cleared.. i also had th engine sit a hair high so i didn't have to notch the k-frame to clear the oil pump/filter.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · May 13, 2022

Oh man I love that thing. Love the dog dish wheels looks like an old moonshiner. My radiator is my next tackle. At big cruises with stop and go traffic its overheating I was going to with the BeCool dual fan 22" but I see you have a stock one with a shroud. Also did those headers wild looking did you have those made?

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Discussion Starter · #9 · May 13, 2022

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abodyjoe said:
here ya go for a reference. this is a V8 centerlink for an early abody. see how much it drops. looking at your pics on my desktop instead of my phone it looks like you may have the V8 one.. i'd like to see the motor mounts. when i did my 64 valiant with a 440 init i used an off the shelf chrome transdapt oil pan and it cleared.. i also had th engine sit a hair high so i didn't have to notch the k-frame to clear the oil pump/filter.

Here are pics of the center link and motor mounts.

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abodyjoe

· #10 · May 13, 2022

yea that looks liek a V8 centerlink.. so is the motor mounted via motor plate? i'll bet it sits a little low.

abodyjoe

· #11 · May 13, 2022

Front Heavy said:
Oh man I love that thing. Love the dog dish wheels looks like an old moonshiner. My radiator is my next tackle. At big cruises with stop and go traffic its overheating I was going to with the BeCool dual fan 22" but I see you have a stock one with a shroud. Also did those headers wild looking did you have those made?

radiator was a 70 dart style with a custom core in it.. it was staggered so 3-3.5 rows and a lot of fins.. the headers were custom made3 at a street rod shop not far from me.. i put that car together back in the early/mid 90's. i used a modified C-body motor bracket and it bolted to the stock location on the k-frame. wish i had more pictures of it..

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Discussion Starter · #12 · May 13, 2022

abodyjoe said:
radiator was a 70 dart style with a custom core in it.. it was staggered so 3-3.5 rows and a lot of fins.. the headers were custom made3 at a street rod shop not far from me.. i put that car together back in the early/mid 90's. i used a modified C-body motor bracket and it bolted to the stock location on the k-frame. wish i had more pictures of it..

Yeah that was a cool build I liked the whole look. Heres a pic of the motor mounts.

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abodyjoe

· #13 · May 13, 2022

cool custom mount

my64dart

· #14 · May 15, 2022

Hi,
I'm using the Schumacker conversion mounts on my 1964 Dart. Even by using these mounts the oil pan was getting rubbed on by the center link. My fix was to shim up the engine as much as it needed and modify an oil pan to make a better fit. I used a center sump oil pan similar to the 402 oil pan. I also used a windage tray to guide me on how much I could remove from the oil pan area that was getting beaten up by the center link.

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Discussion Starter · #15 · May 24, 2022

my64dart said:
Hi,
I'm using the Schumacker conversion mounts on my 1964 Dart. Even by using these mounts the oil pan was getting rubbed on by the center link. My fix was to shim up the engine as much as it needed and modify an oil pan to make a better fit. I used a center sump oil pan similar to the 402 oil pan. I also used a windage tray to guide me on how much I could remove from the oil pan area that was getting beaten up by the center link.

Excellent thanks for the ideas!

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Discussion Starter · #16 · May 25, 2022

I am thinking of trying this oil pan but at $200 I'm worried of it fitting but it looks like it will?

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my64dart

· #17 · May 26, 2022 (Edited)

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I am thinking of trying this oil pan but at $200 I'm worried of it fitting but it looks like it will? View attachment 55854

Why don't you try to modify the oil pan you already have? Just cut out the banged up area and weld in a thin piece of angle iron. Just make sure you don't go in to deep otherwise the crankshaft will hit the pan as it's spinning. I used a windage tray to guide me on the cuts. Or buy the pan your interested in. But the sloped design might make it harder to modify. 440 Source is selling reproduction oil pans for about $100.00 Check them out.

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Discussion Starter · #18 · May 26, 2022

Good point! I beat up an edge on that pan taking it out so I'm putting this much money back in the motor I'm just going to buy a new pan and modify it. I was hoping maybe that slope would help clear where its hitting but if it doesn't your probably right harder to modify. Maybe I should just get the 402 like you suggested and modify it.

my64dart

· #19 · May 26, 2022

Front Heavy said:
Good point! I beat up an edge on that pan taking it out so I'm putting this much money back in the motor I'm just going to buy a new pan and modify it. I was hoping maybe that slope would help clear where its hitting but if it doesn't your probably right harder to modify. Maybe I should just get the 402 like you suggested and modify it.

I think you might like what 440 Source has.

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Jkakuk

· #20 · Jun 2, 2022

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Capt_Jack said:
here's a link to a copy of our old Technical Pages from years back. this in particular is regarding steering linkages and the like for later e-bodies like 68 and up. not really specific to your case, but there is some info there that could help regarding the centerlink and idler.

we dont get to see a lot of early A's with big blocks in them. we'd love to hear more about your car.

I just purchased Mancini A-Body Oil Pan Power Package
And all fit in the car great with stock big block mounts. Haven’t driven it yet to see if anything hits. Mancini racing said to go with this pan.

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