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Hi, I´m from Argentina, I´m a fan of Dodge and I love muscle cars. In my country the only car that can be called that way is the 1970-1979 Dodge GTX which has a V8 318 wich is the only V8 here with the exception of the Fairline V8 (wich sucks). The Dodge GTX is not the american one, this car was only built down here and if I´m not wrong its an early A-Body. I mean, its an A-body and its not the 67 one, its narrower, its based on the valiant but what i dont know if its exactly like your early A-bodys.
Well, the point is that I have something thats its VERY rare in my country, a 440 with auto trans and I´ve always dream of put it in this car. Everyone here tells thats impossible, but no one here has this engine, they say so because they already have problems whit the exausts in the 318 that fits with just the right space.
ok, I have the 440 but... I dont have the car. The reason is that I´m not rich and i dont know in what car spend my hard earned money, in a finished 318 GTX or in a project car to put my 440 in so I can both fullfil my dream and have the only GTX 440 in the world.

Well, with this LONG introduction, i want to ask all of you, taking an early A as a reference, is it posible to put in this engine WIHTOUT cutting the car???
taking in account what i have read so far, i think the steps are:
-buy engine mounts (schumaker)
-custom exausth
-modify oil pan
-move the master in the direction
-improve brakes and suspension
-take out the DANA 44 an put in a DANA 60

Some pictures of the car

http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=923&pagina=5
http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=970&pagina=3
http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=914&pagina=6
http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=879&pagina=8

318 in place

http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=785&pagina=14
http://www.clubdodge.com.ar/?l1=gdfo&l2=zoom&id=861&pagina=9
 
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Hi, here are some pictures i took from a Dodge GTX Forum called www.Dodge-tech.com.ar
Some may be useful others not, I only hope it will be enough to give an idea of the car body, if not i´ll try to get better ones. I dream of putting that 440.

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By looking at the one engine shot it does look like and early A, but the out side reminds me of a b body or an AMC car. Sorry I can't help you. The second images I'm not able to look at those. Like said above would need to look at the K-member and motor mounts on the motor. How wide is the rear from drum to drum?

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Hi, you mean you cant see the images in the second post???
Because there are a images of the underhood without the engine
Please tell if thats the problem so i can post them in another way. Thanks.
 

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I'm sure it's just me. I use the computer her at work and they have that site blocked. You could email them or atteche them to this site for me to see. Sorry.

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thats a very cool looking car
 
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Hello again, well considering its an early A body, are the steps I mention right? am I missing something? do you think i will have to cut something in the car? did you had to cut anything?
An unbeliever here told me that I someone proves to him that the engine will fit without cutting the car he will put it for free and i would really like to keep the car, phisically, in an original state because there arent many of this cars here, it was built for 9 years but the mayority of the chasis ended up being the Dodge Polara RT wich sports a Slant Six so the GTX (V8) is relatively a rare car.
 
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Thanks eldubb, but that is for the late A Body and im sure it isnt one of those because people here have buyed parts beliving they will fit and they didnt, then we discovered about the early A Body.

Can someone tell me what you had to do to put the engine in? is it VERY difficult? is it very costly? did you had to cut the car?

ok, i forgot to ask, do you know more forums, pages, links, anything were I can find more info in the subject of BB in early A bodys?? because i have googled a lot and i cant find anything useful, thanks in advance
 

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Wow, neat car, I saw one in a Mopar magazine a while back. I'd just like to say i regards to your cost/fitment questions. How handy are you? you could put any engine into any car if you were determined and inventive enough. As far as the cutting goes the clearance you have looks to be enough without cutting (couldn't say for sure) but if you want to be the only guy in Argentina with a 440 GTX, hey what's a little modifying. It'll make the conversations that much more interesting when people are asking you how you did it. The factory never intended for any big block to go into an A body until Mr Norm showed them it could be done, then they put Hemi's into a few. now that's a WIDE motor. there's even a car in the feature section of this site who's put a hemi in without cutting anything, it's a good thing the plugs on a hemi are on the top, cause he'd never get them out otherwise LOL. So you need to think about whether you want originality or a 440, you can't have both. and finally I'm not sure about having to change the dana 44 out, I had them in my small block Jeep YJ a few years ago with no problems, and I beat them pretty hard. Maybe the torque of the 440 would be too much

Either way, good luck http://www.moparsbymosher.com/

Oh ya, I read something about a 440 small block from MP coming out, that would solve both problems

Checking to see if a motor will fit is really pretty easy. Do you have a tape measure? measure the block(which you have) and the empty engine bay. everything else can be worked around, like header or manifolds, power steering/no power steering, power brakes/no power brakes. DON"T BE SCARED

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Hello Antares,
I also say it´s an early A-Body engine compartment. Take a look at the gallery 66DART500. There you can see a RB Block in an early A-Body
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Hi, I dont know about Alexandre but this car never got to Brasil, they had the Dart and a Charger that in my opinion its the Dart but with different headlights and I believe they used the late A body. And about the engines, South America wasnt a place where you could see muscle cars in the past so getting a BB here is nearly imposible, and even more a Dodge/Chrysler one.
 
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Antares, that does look like an early a body to me also. you could probably make the 440 fit but it would be really tight. heres a 383, which is around 1 1/2" narrower in a 66 cuda. its tight tight. the only cutting i did was the flange on the tranny hump. made the mounts to use factory isolaters, move the steering column over as far as i could and thats going to need u-joints to hook it to the box. maybe if you have a good selection of factory ex manifolds to try. spark plugs would be a real pain in the clinton. good luck

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Thanks to everyone for the info, and please keep it coming, its very usefull, specially the pictures of the 383 in the Cuda.
And if abodyjoe is the big expert here I really would like to hear his opinion but by know you have convinced me that it can be done.
 
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can be done.... but cutting fenderwells. Who cares if you're fitting a 440 in it? ::) BTW you'd not be the only one with a 440 into a GTX... there's 3 440 powered GTX. One's in zarate, the otheris nearby but I believe it to be a 383, and the other I don't know.
 
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